Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

Just A User wrote:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

No, instead they have nutcases like Michael Dosunmu who manage to
procure a FULL AUTO weapon in the UK and execute a murder plot.

Last Updated: Monday, 5 March 2007, 23:21 GMT

'Up to 30' heard boy murder plan

Police believe up to 30 people were present when the murder of
15-year-old Michael Dosunmu at his home in south-east London was planned.

Speaking on Crimewatch on Monday Det Ch Insp Fiona Mallon said his
murder may have been a case of mistaken identity.

Michael died of multiple gunshot wounds when two gunmen burst into the
bedroom of his Peckham home on 6 February.

Detectives said the weapon, a Mac 10 machine-gun, was still on London's
streets and could be used again.



Let's also not neglect to mention that the UK is now the land of
Natioanl ID cards and Big Brother cameras who are now having 2-way AUDIO
installed so the Queen and her minions can publicly scold you for
anything they see you doing that they think is bad.

Speaking of how safe the UK gun laws have made the (severely pussified)
Brits:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/d...chine_guns.php

Girl, 14, accused of supplying machine guns
By Ruth Holmes

A 14-YEAR-OLD girl from north-west London stands accused of conspiracy
to supply a machine gun capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute.

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is one of four
suspects from the area who appeared at High Barnet magistrates' court
charged with gun-related crimes.

She was charged with possessing two revolvers, a Mac-10 machine gun and
a second machine pistol.

A 16-year-old male youth was also accused of possessing a revolver with
intent to endanger life, as well as drugs and CS sprays.

18-year-old Korrey Johnson-Bell, of Westfield Close, Brent, was charged
with possession of a machine pistol while Genevieve Sahel, 31, also of
Westfield Close, faced charges of conspiracy to supply firearms,
possession of prohibited weapons and possession of ammunition.

Their court appearance on Saturday follows an investigation by London's
Trident crime unit, which handles gun crime in black communities. It
occurred as five more victims fell prey to gun crime in the capital this
weekend.
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Gang warfare upsurge

An internal police report, revealed by the Observer newspaper on Sunday,
painted a grim picture of the surge in gang warfare and "post-code
killings" in London.

The report focuses on Hackney, where father-of-two Steven
Nyembo-Ya-Muteba was murdered outside his home two weeks ago after
asking a gang of youths to be quiet.

It says gun and knife crime in the north-east London borough is
increasing more rapidly than anywhere in the capital.

The report, written by Superintendent Leroy Logan, highlights the
"terrible acts of gratuitous violence" that have afflicted the area,
"ending up in young people losing their lives or being badly injured,
because they were visiting the area and were known by the local violent
youth, showing the serious implications of district code warfare".

Violent music videos

The police chief points to a growing trend which is seeing gangs produce
music videos, being broadcast on digital music channels, encouraging
violent attacks on rivals.

The report, circulated across the Metropolitan police four months ago,
warns that if "gangster glamour, was not "shattered" it would
"continually end up in predator-type packs of youths committing the most
disgusting acts of violence and other forms of crime".

According to the Observer, police are particularly concerned about Sky
television's Channel U which is seen by some as glamorising gang culture.

Darren Platt, the director of Channel U, told the paper it had
"tightened things up" and now rejected videos advocating violence and guns.






Now, take your lying socialist drivel and stick it where the sun don't
shine.

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:48 pm, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
In article ,
Just A User wrote:

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.
Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.
A lie, of course.

We are not the only one, but we are #1in gun violence... It's "as easy
to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," says this article that gauges
world opinion...

"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed


I find it rather ironic that the newspaper publishing this drivel also
happens to be based in a city where handguns are ALREADY banned, yet it
has one of the HIGHEST crime rates in the nation.

In rec.bicycles.soc Road Glidin' Don wrote:
On Apr 19, 2:22 pm, asshat1954 wrote:
On Apr 19, 1:11 pm, Road Glidin' Don wrote:

Hopefully a door opener gets you some day, so we don't have to put up
with your retarded cross-posts anymore.

I'd consider it an act of terrorism. Bicycles should have the right to
be free from opening doors as well as from invasive cars. If someone
has the right ot bear arms, we should have the right to ride a bike
SAFELY on the streets, ie. WE NEED BIKE LANES.

You've got a newsgroup for bicycles which you don't stay in. No
reason to suppose, if you had bike lanes, you'd stay in them either.

I've never seen him post to the bicycle group except to troll via
crosspost. He's a miserable hypocritical mouth breathing cretin, and
I'm not sure he's ever seet foot to pedal on a bicycle.

You've got a lot to learn about responsible use and sharing before you
start preaching to others, retard.

I've got a call from the Mentally Handicapped Anti-Defamation League on
line one for you. :-)

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-Oscar Wilde

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:23:37 -0700, (Tom Keats)
wrote:

In article . com,
donquijote1954 writes:
Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

I think you'll find your feelings of worthlessness
are rooted within. having a gun won't fix that, any
more than will driving a motor vehicle, getting drunk,
or any combination of the above.

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

1) drop the gun, causing it to uncontrolledly discharge

You're thinking of yourself last Saturday night. Guns dont'
work that way.

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On 19 Apr 2007 14:29:49 -0700, "Bill H." wrote:

On Apr 19, 9:03 am, wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954

Excellent ! He supports the Constitution and fundamental
rights...

Just not civil liberties.

Question: Do you support the right for women to vote? The founding
fathers didn't. But we changed THAT to our liking, didn't we?

I don't recall the Constitution saying we couldn't. And of
course that includes the C in the fullest sense, which means the Bill
of Rights is considered 'part and parcel' of it, which means the 17th
( or was it the 27th ? I forget ) Amendment is 'part of the
Constitution, along with all other Amendments '.

IOW - there is a Constitutional way to get rid of the 2nd
Amendment - it's called ANOTHER Amendment, and the process for that is
clearly laid out including state ratifications, etc etc. Unless and
until THAT happens, the RTKABA is Constitutionaly protected.


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We have a few bicycle rallys in the countryside each year that causes the
entire road to be closed for the day. People, mostly ranchers, cannot
leave
or enter their property until the bicycle event is over. One said he was
going to release 200 head of cattle on the road just to make the event
"more
eventful(less)."

Of he could let the cows hang out on the road overnight the
night before ....

I think that's what he meant by "more eventful(less)."

He did say the motorcyclists bother them (i.e ranchers and farmers) less
since they all go by in 15 minutes and it doesn't require them to stay off
the road all day so the bicyclists can ride 3-4 abreast all over the roadway
like they normally do around here.

They don't like riding in their "exclusive lanes" because of stickers, so
they ride in the car track areas of the main roadway.

No wonder some get run over.

Mack

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:42:34 -0400, Polarhound
wrote:

donquijote1954 wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:48 pm, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
In article ,
Just A User wrote:

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.
Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.
A lie, of course.

We are not the only one, but we are #1in gun violence... It's "as easy
to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," says this article that gauges
world opinion...

"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed


I find it rather ironic that the newspaper publishing this drivel also
happens to be based in a city where handguns are ALREADY banned, yet it
has one of the HIGHEST crime rates in the nation.

Ah, but consistenly in second place to Washington DC, where
they are even MORE banned :-)


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wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 13:33:35 -0700, donquijote1954
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any


Well, THAT settles it ! If some random whore walking the
street in Moscow says 'It's like such and such in America', it must be
true !

Besides, anyone else remember the stories of how difficult it was to buy
a loaf of bread in the old Soviet Union?

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wrote:

Ah, but consistenly in second place to Washington DC, where
they are even MORE banned :-)

Thankfully, that is now in the process of changing:

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal appeals court overturned the District of
Columbia's long- standing handgun ban Friday, rejecting the city's
argument that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applied only to
militias.

In a 2-1 decision, the judges held that the activities protected by the
Second Amendment "are not limited to militia service, nor is an
individual's enjoyment of the right contingent" on enrollment in a militia.

The ban on owning handguns went into effect in 1976.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit also
threw out the district's requirement that registered firearms be kept
unloaded, disassembled and under trigger lock.

"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to
the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas
with the most constrictive gun laws.