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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 8, 11:49 am, John Everett
wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT), landotter wrote: On May 8, 8:51 am, Colin Campbell wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: So a lucky friend just acquired a Litespeed Archon, which led me to check out the current lineup. This high-end Ti builder offers eight road frames. http://litespeed.com/2008/home.aspx# Eight? Okay, I get the Good One, the Stupid-Light One, the Cyclocross One, The Century Ride One, and the One for Girls. Can anyone explain the other three frames? I gather one is, more or less, The Cheap One, but a newsgroup No-Prize is offered to anyone who can explain the Ardennes and the Siena. Can anyone find a similar excess of frame designs from another maker? Note that the same frame under two different names (as sometimes happens to bikes with the same frame but different component specs) doesn't count. The lineup is full of sloping top tubes. I hate 'em! Surely there is counseling in your locality for obsessive compulsives. Form follows function. Form follows cost accounting. It's cheaper to manufacture frames in Large, Medium, Small Walmart bikes come in one size. Stop. Quality compact and semi-compact road bikes come in usually six sizes. Stop. So you're a lying zealot. Congrats. |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 8, 3:38 pm, landotter wrote:
.... Walmart bikes come in one size. Stop. Un-stop. The recent "Wal-Mart Italian Road Bike for $1198" thread in rec.bicycles.misc shows that they've moved up to Small, Medium, Large sizes for some of their bikes. |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 8, 3:01 pm, Victor Kan wrote:
On May 8, 3:38 pm, landotter wrote: ... Walmart bikes come in one size. Stop. Un-stop. The recent "Wal-Mart Italian Road Bike for $1198" thread in rec.bicycles.misc shows that they've moved up to Small, Medium, Large sizes for some of their bikes. I'd hardly consider a 1200 buck web only Walmart bike to be a great example of a trend. |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
In article , Colin Campbell wrote:
I also dislike straight front forks, but apparently I'm badl... Straying a bit from the original question, but you're not alone. Probably the three things that shout UGLY to me a threadless headsets, straight forks, and a sloping toptube. Happily my own Habanero has none of those aesthetic atrocities. Doubtlessly others could argue to the contrary. Art |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 8, 3:29 pm, (Arthur Shapiro) wrote:
In article , Colin Campbell wrote: I also dislike straight front forks, but apparently I'm badl... Straying a bit from the original question, but you're not alone. Probably the three things that shout UGLY to me a threadless headsets, Stiffer and easier to service is ugly? They sold me first time I worked on them. straight forks, Been around since the beginning of cycling. I like them fine, they pick up on the tapered rear tubes much better aesthetically than pointless curves do. Form is function. and a sloping toptube. which gets the head tube in a good position for most folks that don't race. Happily my own Habanero has none of those aesthetic atrocities. Doubtlessly others could argue to the contrary. Yeah. I like convention when it works. Traditional bend bars and square taper cranks work well for me. I do well with down tube shifters and many other trad choices--but compact frames, straight forks, and threadless makes a nice tight and modern road frame. A Gunnar Sport would be a good example of traditional materials, but without traditional biases: http://www.gunnarbikes.com/sport.php |
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote: "Hank" wrote in message ... But can anyone come out with a diet grape soda for me? Of course not. http://www.faygopops.com/servlet/Detail?no=1 You can mail order diet grape. Easier is probably to mix up some aspartame-flavoured syrup and inject your own CO2. isi seltzer bottle at a flea market, -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:38:24 -0700 (PDT), landotter
wrote: On May 8, 11:49 am, John Everett wrote: Form follows cost accounting. It's cheaper to manufacture frames in Large, Medium, Small Walmart bikes come in one size. Stop. So you're a lying zealot. Congrats. Imagine my distress being called a liar by someone so obviously out of touch. ;-) See: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5751045 -- jeverett3ATsbcglobalDOTnet (John V. Everett) |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 9, 9:30 am, John Everett
wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 12:38:24 -0700 (PDT), landotter wrote: On May 8, 11:49 am, John Everett wrote: Form follows cost accounting. It's cheaper to manufacture frames in Large, Medium, Small Walmart bikes come in one size. Stop. So you're a lying zealot. Congrats. Imagine my distress being called a liar by someone so obviously out of touch. ;-) See:http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5751045 Every single in-store bike at Wal-Mart comes in one size only. That's a one-off. Zealot. |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
Off topic to the orignal post, but vis a vis aesthetics, I'm an old
guy who always thought 'level top tube, stem parallel, nice curve to the fork', was sacred. But I'm coming around to the semi sloping look, with stem, bar tops, and brake lever tops all parallel. Not sure why it looks good, but it's got to feel better than sliding my hands down the cinalli campione del mundo's to dura ace 7402 levers and crushing my first knuckle. Still working up to straight forks though. I swear I can see my steel columbus forks flexing on bumps, which I kinda like, but I know the engineers say otherwise. |
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Curious product lineups, Litespeed division
On May 9, 10:37 am, mtb Dad wrote:
Off topic to the orignal post, but vis a vis aesthetics, I'm an old guy who always thought 'level top tube, stem parallel, nice curve to the fork', was sacred. But I'm coming around to the semi sloping look, with stem, bar tops, and brake lever tops all parallel. Not sure why it looks good, but it's got to feel better than sliding my hands down the cinalli campione del mundo's to dura ace 7402 levers and crushing my first knuckle. Still working up to straight forks though. I swear I can see my steel columbus forks flexing on bumps, which I kinda like, but I know the engineers say otherwise. The curve of the day was just fashion, just one way to get from here to there. Tire width and pressure is more important to comfort. I used to have to use gloves and closed cell tape if I ran 23s on a trad road bike, but I can ride all day with 28s, bare hands, straight forks, and cloth tape. It's the tires. That and good bar set-up. Gimme something Nitto that allows me several positions without clenching, and I'm good. Never could stand Cinelli type bends where the ramps slid you down towards the hoods. Ech. |
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