I saw Critical Mass

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Peter Cole wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Gee, I can tell when I need to renew the license on my car by looking
at the sticker on the license plate.

And how often do you look at it?

What is the deal with Kunich and seatbelts anyway? The evidence for
their effectiveness is much greater than that for foam bicycle hats
(though the paternalistic laws mandating the use of either are
immoral).

Let's see - you AGREE that these laws mandating that legitimate drivers
do things that harm no one but themselves are immoral and yet you don't
seem to realize that instead of enforcing real laws they are
concentrating on pulling over people so that they can force them to do
someone else's bidding.

Yeah, that's really a problem on my part.


I don't know about "immoral", but I guess I take a libertarian view on
mandatory self-safety laws. That said, pragmatically, if you want to snub
laws to make a personal statement, you've got to be prepared for the
likely consequences, and it's probably a good idea to make sure your
papers are in order.

All paternalistic laws are immoral, since they interfere with the
fundamental human right to perform any action that is harmless to society.

Yes, leaving children without parents is harmless to society...

Amy Blankenship wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Peter Cole wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Gee, I can tell when I need to renew the license on my car by looking
at the sticker on the license plate.
And how often do you look at it?

What is the deal with Kunich and seatbelts anyway? The evidence for
their effectiveness is much greater than that for foam bicycle hats
(though the paternalistic laws mandating the use of either are
immoral).
Let's see - you AGREE that these laws mandating that legitimate drivers
do things that harm no one but themselves are immoral and yet you don't
seem to realize that instead of enforcing real laws they are
concentrating on pulling over people so that they can force them to do
someone else's bidding.

Yeah, that's really a problem on my part.

I don't know about "immoral", but I guess I take a libertarian view on
mandatory self-safety laws. That said, pragmatically, if you want to snub
laws to make a personal statement, you've got to be prepared for the
likely consequences, and it's probably a good idea to make sure your
papers are in order.

All paternalistic laws are immoral, since they interfere with the
fundamental human right to perform any action that is harmless to society.

Yes, leaving children without parents is harmless to society...


I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as long
is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken /
She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.”

I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as
long is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.


Wanna have some fun? Think about the currently-illegal drugs.

Why are they illegal? Power play by police/other authorities?

What is the cost to society to having them illegal? Broken lives, crime,
police assets, etc.

What happens if we legalize them? Reduced cost, reduced influence of so-
called narco states, reduced intrusion in people's lives by authorities,
possibility of regulation and taxation.

How much worse could things be if we were to legalize them? Fewer arrests,
smaller jail populations, massive amount of law-enforcement cost, lower
medical costs.

This is a start,but it bears on the individual liberty discussion. There
are good arguents on both sides, but I believe we should legalize these
drugs.

Barry Harmon

Barry Harmon wrote:
I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as
long is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.


Wanna have some fun? Think about the currently-illegal drugs.

Why are they illegal? Power play by police/other authorities?

What is the cost to society to having them illegal? Broken lives, crime,
police assets, etc.

What happens if we legalize them? Reduced cost, reduced influence of so-
called narco states, reduced intrusion in people's lives by authorities,
possibility of regulation and taxation.

How much worse could things be if we were to legalize them? Fewer arrests,
smaller jail populations, massive amount of law-enforcement cost, lower
medical costs.

This is a start,but it bears on the individual liberty discussion. There
are good arguents on both sides, but I believe we should legalize these
drugs.

Hey Barry, stop being so sensible. You are supposed to hysterically
scream "what about the children".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken /
She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.”

Tom Sherman wrote in
:

Barry Harmon wrote:
I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as
long is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats,
since they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and
deaths, but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.


Wanna have some fun? Think about the currently-illegal drugs.

Why are they illegal? Power play by police/other authorities?

What is the cost to society to having them illegal? Broken lives,
crime, police assets, etc.

What happens if we legalize them? Reduced cost, reduced influence of
so- called narco states, reduced intrusion in people's lives by
authorities, possibility of regulation and taxation.

How much worse could things be if we were to legalize them? Fewer
arrests, smaller jail populations, massive amount of law-enforcement
cost, lower medical costs.

This is a start,but it bears on the individual liberty discussion.
There are good arguents on both sides, but I believe we should
legalize these drugs.

Hey Barry, stop being so sensible. You are supposed to hysterically
scream "what about the children".


Please forgive me -- I lost my head there for a minute.

What about the Children?

There. I feel better now.

In article 54,
Barry Harmon writes:


I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as
long is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.


Wanna have some fun? Think about the currently-illegal drugs.

Why are they illegal?

Why are they nevertheless so prevalent?


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.


I wonder what kind of proof it'd take for one to show that a "foam
hat" is a totally essential cycling "fashion".

Maybe a vampire saying something like, "If only I'd worn a helmet, I
wouldn't be part of the undead." ?

But, enough of this exhausted helmet debate. I have my beliefs, and I
know you have your beliefs, and I also know that nobody's mind is
going to change because of a post they saw in a newsgroup.

Cullen

Tom Keats wrote:
In article 54,
Barry Harmon writes:
I have no dependent brats, so I should be free to do as I please as
long is it does not harm others.

So do we prosecute people for eating the wrong foods and not getting
enough exercise? What about working high stress jobs that negatively
affect health?

And of course the argument does not apply to bicycle foam hats, since
they have not been shown to prevent serious head injuries and deaths,
but mainly work as bump and scrape protection.

Wanna have some fun? Think about the currently-illegal drugs.

Why are they illegal?

Why are they nevertheless so prevalent?

Self medication for the ills of society.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
“Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken /
She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.”