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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliant marketing
http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...pe-cateye-more
and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliant marketing
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, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...pe-cateye-more and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. Oh, as if I _ever_ use percent. Those who use unbound percent are to be broken upon the wheel, once I am Ruler of Earth, and that goes for my minions as well. -- Michael Press |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize forbrilliant marketing
On Sep 9, 2:45*am, Andre Jute wrote:
http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...s-gilles-berth... and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. It saves having to apply chrome plating for the shiny lovers. A simple polished finish may work out cheaper than a proper laquered job. I don't know the cost today, but when I enquired at the refinishers about 15 years ago and was shocked at the price and enquired "why?" they insisted that all frames required sand-blasting to prepare them. I left them to their busy workbook and got the job done myself with Hammerite and a brush. I worked out how to get the thick stuff on without leaving gaps or brushstrokes and its stood up very well. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliantmarketing
On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...pe-cateye-more and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." I wonder whether some more adventurous frame designs come about as a result. Years ago there was a local frame builder who designed what he called a "Compuframe", IIRC. The seat stays crossed the seat tube and joined the top tube 4-5 inches along. Although I rode one of these frames for a while, it didn't stand out as feeling particularly different from the previous steel frame I had (another locally made 531 lugged frame). -- JS. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize forbrilliant marketing
On Sep 8, 7:39*pm, James wrote:
On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...s-gilles-berth... and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. *But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." Right -- FEA for frame building. Most of the builders I know or have known build off of jigs and use geometries and joinery that has been around forever. Ain't rocket surgery, as Peter used to say. With that said, half of the Bohemians winning the prize at the latest "handmade bicycle" show have built maybe four frames -- but they were super cool looking frames! Great paint, great lugs -- but gawd only knows whether the joints are filled or the frame is over-cooked. These guys don't need FEA. They need some shop classes. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliantmarketing
On 9/09/2011 1:14 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:39 pm, wrote: On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...s-gilles-berth... and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." Right -- FEA for frame building. Most of the builders I know or have known build off of jigs and use geometries and joinery that has been around forever. Ain't rocket surgery, as Peter used to say. With that said, half of the Bohemians winning the prize at the latest "handmade bicycle" show have built maybe four frames -- but they were super cool looking frames! Great paint, great lugs -- but gawd only knows whether the joints are filled or the frame is over-cooked. These guys don't need FEA. They need some shop classes. I understand what you say, however I suspect the dude that built my current steel frame is far more savvy than the Bohemians you speak of. http://www.gelliecustombikeframes.co...lie-custom.htm -- JS. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize forbrilliant marketing
On Sep 8, 10:39*pm, James wrote:
On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...s-gilles-berth... and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. *But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." I wonder whether some more adventurous frame designs come about as a result. *Years ago there was a local frame builder who designed what he called a "Compuframe", IIRC. *The seat stays crossed the seat tube and joined the top tube 4-5 inches along. *Although I rode one of these frames for a while, it didn't stand out as feeling particularly different from the previous steel frame I had (another locally made 531 lugged frame). Nashbar sold a frame that fit that description in (IIRC) the early 1990s. One of my friends owns one. He bought it because it was inexpensive, on sale. I think it's another one of those ideas (like frames with curved seat tubes and ultra-short wheelbases, "curly stays," "zertz" inserts, etc.) that enjoyed some brief attention, but gave no practical benefit. - Frank Krygowski |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliantmarketing
James wrote:
On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...pe-cateye-more and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." I wonder whether some more adventurous frame designs come about as a result. Years ago there was a local frame builder who designed what he called a "Compuframe", IIRC. The seat stays crossed the seat tube and joined the top tube 4-5 inches along. Although I rode one of these frames for a while, it didn't stand out as feeling particularly different from the previous steel frame I had (another locally made 531 lugged frame). Old design. Hetchins "Hellenic Triangle" http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...lenic-kh1a.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize for brilliantmarketing
On 9/09/2011 2:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
James wrote: On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...pe-cateye-more and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." I wonder whether some more adventurous frame designs come about as a result. Years ago there was a local frame builder who designed what he called a "Compuframe", IIRC. The seat stays crossed the seat tube and joined the top tube 4-5 inches along. Although I rode one of these frames for a while, it didn't stand out as feeling particularly different from the previous steel frame I had (another locally made 531 lugged frame). Old design. Hetchins "Hellenic Triangle" http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...lenic-kh1a.jpg Wow! That's the sort of thing. I chatted to a mate who's got a: http://www.bmc-racing.com/int-en/bik.../standard.html I looked at it for a moment and said, "I bet it's comfortable." He said it is the most comfy road bike he's ridden. I wonder if a similar design could be made in steel, and whether it would also be more comfortable than having the stays in the traditional position. My guess is it allows the seat post to rotate further under load. Only testing would reveal actual differences of course. -- JS. |
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Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" -- Michael Press Prize forbrilliant marketing
On Sep 9, 6:02*am, James wrote:
On 9/09/2011 2:35 PM, AMuzi wrote: James wrote: On 9/09/2011 11:45 AM, Andre Jute wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/43047-mo...s-gilles-berth.... and scroll down. Reynolds 931 "cheap stainless" Twenty per cent more than 853, ten per cent less than 951, yup, that's brilliant marketing. Or maybe they really wanted to kill both successful products, and still leave the customer dissatisfied with having received only the "cheap" stainless. I also wonder how stainless it is. But this caught my eye.. "Reynolds is also rolling out to its customers who are typically custom framebuilders without access to sophisticated computer modelling tools a programme called eReynolds FEA (Finite Element Analysis) which will enable them to 'build' their frames in virtual form to test the feasibility of tubing and joining options before expensively committing to physical prototypes." I wonder whether some more adventurous frame designs come about as a result. Years ago there was a local frame builder who designed what he called a "Compuframe", IIRC. The seat stays crossed the seat tube and joined the top tube 4-5 inches along. Although I rode one of these frames for a while, it didn't stand out as feeling particularly different from the previous steel frame I had (another locally made 531 lugged frame). Old design. Hetchins "Hellenic Triangle" http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...lenic-kh1a.jpg Wow! *That's the sort of thing. I chatted to a mate who's got a:http://www.bmc-racing.com/int-en/bik...racemachine/rm... I looked at it for a moment and said, "I bet it's comfortable." *He said it is the most comfy road bike he's ridden. I wonder if a similar design could be made in steel, and whether it would also be more comfortable than having the stays in the traditional position. *My guess is it allows the seat post to rotate further under load. *Only testing would reveal actual differences of course. -- JS. You want a steel frame with pencil stays. I use one, but the wheel has to be top notch (when one is 14st ) or things are too soft at the back making the rear end track one way then the other when climbing at a not too frenetic cadence. Squaring off the chainstays helps reduce excessive flexing, but it's usually an accepted comprimise with steel. |
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