The case for cycle lanes

On 28/04/18 21:40, wrote:
On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 6:32:21 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/04/18 11:30, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 10:13:58 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/04/18 00:38, Simon Jester wrote:


My view remains that part of the problem is officialdom and the rules
governing junction design. It's mainly about motor/pedestrian but it has
knock on effects.

What is wrong with the junction design here?

QUOTE: Maybe, how about, people started following the rules of the road and stopped selfishly blocking box junctions, which as the photo above shows, is very clearly marked (apart from where two cars are queuing on it!).

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...rivers-1510618

The most obvious issue is the generic one of having a dropped kerb with
the give way line beyond the pavement; there is nothing to tell drivers
to give way to pedestrians. In the USA and mainland Europe it is not
uncommon to have advanced stop lines and/or zebra stripes.

https://goo.gl/maps/AoeaQ7nnurS2
https://goo.gl/maps/nUQCsXw5h7S2
https://goo.gl/maps/TqFaRpUCQGu
https://goo.gl/maps/tsL85YwrZv82
https://goo.gl/maps/3WLpjMXw9mS2

Also in other countries, where junctions have traffic lights, pedestrian
phases are built in (so that vehicles give way on turning, even on
green), not completely separate, as here, resulting in mysterious long
periods of red where absolutely nothing moves and a junction has only a
fraction of its capacity.

Such things make drivers used to giving way. Perhaps it goes wrong
sometimes but it certainly works in the normal course of events. It has
all been designed out here.