Nice bit of American bicycling history

On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
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I'm always amazed at how lightly idiots who don't know any better mouth off about moving out of the US. The places where you can live as well as you do in the States can be counted on your fingers, with some to spare for picking your nose, and some of those places won't let an American in -- Australia for instance -- unless he can persuade officials he intends to start a business in Australia or at least has the means to keep himself indefinitely.

And the minute the American discovers the effective tax rate in those countries, he'll be heading home in a hurry!

There are a few more countries with serious disabilities that are also safer than America. But the majority of the world's countries are more dangerous than American streets.

Andre Jute
Cosmopolitan

Right. If the U.S.A. is so bad then why are so many trying so hard to get into it and are willing to risk their lives to do so?

Cheers

Unfortunately too many are coming here because of welfare and free housing. Which state was even giving them free cars for transportation. Before when people came here they worked or starved. That's not the case anymore and that is the major reason for that gigantic influx.

Sure, a lot of them, maybe most are coming here because this is still the land of opportunity. But there are too many coming here because of what they can get and not what they can contribute.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
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I'm always amazed at how lightly idiots who don't know any better mouth off about moving out of the US. The places where you can live as well as you do in the States can be counted on your fingers, with some to spare for picking your nose, and some of those places won't let an American in -- Australia for instance -- unless he can persuade officials he intends to start a business in Australia or at least has the means to keep himself indefinitely.

And the minute the American discovers the effective tax rate in those countries, he'll be heading home in a hurry!

There are a few more countries with serious disabilities that are also safer than America. But the majority of the world's countries are more dangerous than American streets.

Andre Jute
Cosmopolitan

Right. If the U.S.A. is so bad then why are so many trying so hard to get into it and are willing to risk their lives to do so?

Gravel riding. Portland, for example, has the best gravel bikes in the world. https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/b-road/#frame People from Honduras are killing each other to get one of those Breadwinners. Here they are, sneaking int Portland the back way: https://ridewithgps.com/photos/961829/large.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.

On 1/22/2019 6:52 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 1:22:24 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/22/2019 10:19 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 10:25:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:

Around here anything that isn't covered is stolen. Stop at a stop sign and if the pedestrian likes what he sees he simply picks if off as you're pushing away not paying attention to your load.

Why don't you move out of that place?

- Frank Krygowski


move out of the USA? really?

I live in the USA and I've traveled through most of it. I've never
experienced "anything that isn't covered" being stolen, nor have I
experienced anyone plucking things off my bike, car, person or
whatever.

If Tom does experience that stuff, he should quit complaining and
move to a different part of the USA.

- Frank Krygowski

In San Francisco they had to take bike lanes off of some streets because every car down an entire row would have a side window broken out and anything inside stolen. On a normal car you can hide things in the trunk but everyone now drives SOVs that so everything is visible.

Look - Seattle and Portland used to be the most beautiful cities in the entire country. Now with the liberal policies there's feces in the doorways when people arrive to open their businesses. There are hypodermics everywhere on the streets and you can't let children walk next to you - you have to carry them. There are homeless encampments everywhere and there are entire neighborhoods where the advertising and business signs are all in Spanish. You can call some guy a MFer and he doesn't even know what you're saying.

Nations came into being for a reason - there were people with common language, common attitudes and common goals. If you think that the US has EVER been a melting pot you're wrong. It takes two to three generations for a new group to become American. And they sure as hell can't do that if they go so their own schools.

There used to be open space between all of the towns around the San Francisco Bay. Now it is one continuous city. I can ride all the way around and the only semi-open space is the Bay Trail and most of that is paved except for openings where someone managed to build apartments down to the waterfront. Even out into it. The marinas are being shut down because the land is too valuable to politicians who can get more taxes from housing and can excuse it as building more housing for an area without enough housing.

Such rambling!

FWIW, I've been to Portland many, many times and never saw the horrors
you describe. I know people who still live there and others who visit
from time to time. They never mention such horrors either.

But if you're so miserable where you live (which is, I gather, the SF
area) then why live there? You're retired - or maybe just unemployed.
You certainly don't have to stay there for your job.

One poster here used to accuse me of living in Mayberry. I don't,
really; but I'm very happy about living where I do. You could find
someplace similar, I'm sure.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:54:07 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/22/2019 6:52 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 1:22:24 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/22/2019 10:19 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 10:25:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:

Around here anything that isn't covered is stolen. Stop at a stop sign and if the pedestrian likes what he sees he simply picks if off as you're pushing away not paying attention to your load.

Why don't you move out of that place?

- Frank Krygowski


move out of the USA? really?

I live in the USA and I've traveled through most of it. I've never
experienced "anything that isn't covered" being stolen, nor have I
experienced anyone plucking things off my bike, car, person or
whatever.

If Tom does experience that stuff, he should quit complaining and
move to a different part of the USA.

- Frank Krygowski

In San Francisco they had to take bike lanes off of some streets because every car down an entire row would have a side window broken out and anything inside stolen. On a normal car you can hide things in the trunk but everyone now drives SOVs that so everything is visible.

Look - Seattle and Portland used to be the most beautiful cities in the entire country. Now with the liberal policies there's feces in the doorways when people arrive to open their businesses. There are hypodermics everywhere on the streets and you can't let children walk next to you - you have to carry them. There are homeless encampments everywhere and there are entire neighborhoods where the advertising and business signs are all in Spanish. You can call some guy a MFer and he doesn't even know what you're saying.

Nations came into being for a reason - there were people with common language, common attitudes and common goals. If you think that the US has EVER been a melting pot you're wrong. It takes two to three generations for a new group to become American. And they sure as hell can't do that if they go so their own schools.

There used to be open space between all of the towns around the San Francisco Bay. Now it is one continuous city. I can ride all the way around and the only semi-open space is the Bay Trail and most of that is paved except for openings where someone managed to build apartments down to the waterfront. Even out into it. The marinas are being shut down because the land is too valuable to politicians who can get more taxes from housing and can excuse it as building more housing for an area without enough housing.

Such rambling!

FWIW, I've been to Portland many, many times and never saw the horrors
you describe. I know people who still live there and others who visit
from time to time. They never mention such horrors either.

But if you're so miserable where you live (which is, I gather, the SF
area) then why live there? You're retired - or maybe just unemployed.
You certainly don't have to stay there for your job.

One poster here used to accuse me of living in Mayberry. I don't,
really; but I'm very happy about living where I do. You could find
someplace similar, I'm sure.

But if he found a nice place to live what would he have to complain
about :-?


Cheers,
John B.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 6:54:11 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/22/2019 6:52 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 1:22:24 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/22/2019 10:19 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 10:25:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:

Around here anything that isn't covered is stolen. Stop at a stop sign and if the pedestrian likes what he sees he simply picks if off as you're pushing away not paying attention to your load.

Why don't you move out of that place?

- Frank Krygowski


move out of the USA? really?

I live in the USA and I've traveled through most of it. I've never
experienced "anything that isn't covered" being stolen, nor have I
experienced anyone plucking things off my bike, car, person or
whatever.

If Tom does experience that stuff, he should quit complaining and
move to a different part of the USA.

- Frank Krygowski

In San Francisco they had to take bike lanes off of some streets because every car down an entire row would have a side window broken out and anything inside stolen. On a normal car you can hide things in the trunk but everyone now drives SOVs that so everything is visible.

Look - Seattle and Portland used to be the most beautiful cities in the entire country. Now with the liberal policies there's feces in the doorways when people arrive to open their businesses. There are hypodermics everywhere on the streets and you can't let children walk next to you - you have to carry them. There are homeless encampments everywhere and there are entire neighborhoods where the advertising and business signs are all in Spanish. You can call some guy a MFer and he doesn't even know what you're saying..

Nations came into being for a reason - there were people with common language, common attitudes and common goals. If you think that the US has EVER been a melting pot you're wrong. It takes two to three generations for a new group to become American. And they sure as hell can't do that if they go so their own schools.

There used to be open space between all of the towns around the San Francisco Bay. Now it is one continuous city. I can ride all the way around and the only semi-open space is the Bay Trail and most of that is paved except for openings where someone managed to build apartments down to the waterfront. Even out into it. The marinas are being shut down because the land is too valuable to politicians who can get more taxes from housing and can excuse it as building more housing for an area without enough housing.

Such rambling!

FWIW, I've been to Portland many, many times and never saw the horrors
you describe. I know people who still live there and others who visit
from time to time. They never mention such horrors either.

But if you're so miserable where you live (which is, I gather, the SF
area) then why live there? You're retired - or maybe just unemployed.
You certainly don't have to stay there for your job.

One poster here used to accuse me of living in Mayberry. I don't,
really; but I'm very happy about living where I do. You could find
someplace similar, I'm sure.

Too many bicycles in Portland. I passed some guy on my way home who yelled that I should call out a pass. Why? Do cars call out passes. You ride straight. I go by. Done. I wanted to say "you've just been passed by some decrepit old guy. You need to quit whining and work on your fitness." I was crawling home into a howling wind up hill, so it's not like I was going 100mph. I think he had about four helmet mirrors, so I don't know what additional information yelling would have provided.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:07:54 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
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I'm always amazed at how lightly idiots who don't know any better mouth off about moving out of the US. The places where you can live as well as you do in the States can be counted on your fingers, with some to spare for picking your nose, and some of those places won't let an American in -- Australia for instance -- unless he can persuade officials he intends to start a business in Australia or at least has the means to keep himself indefinitely.

And the minute the American discovers the effective tax rate in those countries, he'll be heading home in a hurry!

There are a few more countries with serious disabilities that are also safer than America. But the majority of the world's countries are more dangerous than American streets.

Andre Jute
Cosmopolitan

Right. If the U.S.A. is so bad then why are so many trying so hard to get into it and are willing to risk their lives to do so?

Gravel riding. Portland, for example, has the best gravel bikes in the world. https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/b-road/#frame People from Honduras are killing each other to get one of those Breadwinners. Here they are, sneaking int Portland the back way: https://ridewithgps.com/photos/961829/large.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.

Okay. I'll bite on some actual tech. Why, oh why, would you want to put such narrow tyres on a gravel bike with a frame apparently so stiff?

Andre Jute
Justdafaxmam

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:08:46 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:07:54 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
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I'm always amazed at how lightly idiots who don't know any better mouth off about moving out of the US. The places where you can live as well as you do in the States can be counted on your fingers, with some to spare for picking your nose, and some of those places won't let an American in -- Australia for instance -- unless he can persuade officials he intends to start a business in Australia or at least has the means to keep himself indefinitely.

And the minute the American discovers the effective tax rate in those countries, he'll be heading home in a hurry!

There are a few more countries with serious disabilities that are also safer than America. But the majority of the world's countries are more dangerous than American streets.

Andre Jute
Cosmopolitan

Right. If the U.S.A. is so bad then why are so many trying so hard to get into it and are willing to risk their lives to do so?

Gravel riding. Portland, for example, has the best gravel bikes in the world. https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/b-road/#frame People from Honduras are killing each other to get one of those Breadwinners. Here they are, sneaking int Portland the back way: https://ridewithgps.com/photos/961829/large.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.



Okay. I'll bite on some actual tech. Why, oh why, would you want to put such narrow tyres on a gravel bike with a frame apparently so stiff?

Andre Jute
Justdafaxmam


If you want fatter, then you go with the G-Road: https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/g-road/#frame

Breadwinner has a lot of models, and its one of the zillion custom or semi-custom builders in Portland. The deal is we have the United Bicycle Institute frame-building program in town which seems to churn out a lot of people who want to be Bohemian artisinal bicycle frame builders. https://www.bikeschool.com/ They come and go, but Breadwinner and its two core builders have been around for a long time.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 1/22/2019 4:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:

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Gravel riding. Portland, for example, has the best gravel bikes in the world. https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/b-road/#frame People from Honduras are killing each other to get one of those Breadwinners. Here they are, sneaking int Portland the back way: https://ridewithgps.com/photos/961829/large.jpg

LOL, interesting theory, but wrong. The reason is Cupertino, because of
the great mayor they have.

On 1/22/2019 7:07 PM, jbeattie wrote:

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Too many bicycles in Portland. I passed some guy on my way home who yelled that I should call out a pass. Why? Do cars call out passes. You ride straight. I go by. Done. I wanted to say "you've just been passed by some decrepit old guy. You need to quit whining and work on your fitness." I was crawling home into a howling wind up hill, so it's not like I was going 100mph. I think he had about four helmet mirrors, so I don't know what additional information yelling would have provided.

This will solve your problem:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lQzqFe5Uh37CxncGwUAuxDb2IEJnktzBHtSS478uvpg

I have this setup on the bicycle I use to go to the store. It's mounted
under the front Porteur rack, fairly concealed. A few honks on this and
that millenial that was complaining about you will no longer be complaining.

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:49:44 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:08:46 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:07:54 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
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I'm always amazed at how lightly idiots who don't know any better mouth off about moving out of the US. The places where you can live as well as you do in the States can be counted on your fingers, with some to spare for picking your nose, and some of those places won't let an American in -- Australia for instance -- unless he can persuade officials he intends to start a business in Australia or at least has the means to keep himself indefinitely.

And the minute the American discovers the effective tax rate in those countries, he'll be heading home in a hurry!

There are a few more countries with serious disabilities that are also safer than America. But the majority of the world's countries are more dangerous than American streets.

Andre Jute
Cosmopolitan

Right. If the U.S.A. is so bad then why are so many trying so hard to get into it and are willing to risk their lives to do so?

Gravel riding. Portland, for example, has the best gravel bikes in the world. https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/b-road/#frame People from Honduras are killing each other to get one of those Breadwinners. Here they are, sneaking int Portland the back way: https://ridewithgps.com/photos/961829/large.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.



Okay. I'll bite on some actual tech. Why, oh why, would you want to put such narrow tyres on a gravel bike with a frame apparently so stiff?

Andre Jute
Justdafaxmam


If you want fatter, then you go with the G-Road: https://breadwinnercycles.com/product/g-road/#frame

That's more like it! Nice and simple and clean.

AJ