Ride an SUB not an SUV

In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Yeah,
And a lot of them that bought those $350,000 mini mansions 40 miles from
work are now bankrupt and foreclosed since their property value fell
through the floor over the last year. How much equity in their house?
About negative $100K.

And again, $3 gas is lost in the noise.

Although my area has seen no such property value crash; it simply
isn't increasing as fast as it did.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article ,
Baxter wrote:

And a lot of them that bought those $350,000 mini mansions 40 miles from
work are now bankrupt and foreclosed since their property value fell
through the floor over the last year. How much equity in their house?
About negative $100K.

Strange how the anti-urbanists in this forum just can't understand that the
reason the McMansions 30 miles from town are so cheap is that people really
would rather have something in town - but can't afford it.

Nope, it's more a matter of supply than demand. There's far more space in
the suburbs than the city.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

The difference is more than made up for when living in town. Spend more
on the house and less (maybe nothing) on new cars, gas, insurance, etc.

Nope. Provided you stick to decent neighborhoods and similar square
footage, you can't make up the difference. The money you save on
those things is of a smaller order of magnitude than the extra money
you spend on the house. Add in the extra property and other taxes
you'll pay in the city and things get even worse.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

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Doc O'Leary wrote:
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(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.


Only if nobody rides them.

But you have to have the near-empty runs or the system becomes
less useful overall -- and as a result ridership goes down even on the
popular runs.

No, that's just another failure of urban planning.

It's a failure of urban planning to micromanage every aspect of
everyone's lives so they can keep the buses full, which is a good thing.

Modern technology could easily be used to help schedule the frequency
and size of transit vehicles. It should even be possible possible to
provide door-to-door service for the same cost per mile as fuel alone
(say around $3 for 25 miles), but somehow city planners got focussed
on moving the cars instead of the people.

Is this like Dave Head's fantasy train?
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Well, at least someone gets my point. If you can afford an SUV and the
gas it sucks then you can damn well afford an econo-box for those little
trips.

The idea that if you can afford X, you can also afford X + Y, is
pretty silly.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message
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In article
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Doc O'Leary wrote:
In article ,
(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.


Only if nobody rides them.

But you have to have the near-empty runs or the system becomes
less useful overall -- and as a result ridership goes down even on the
popular runs.

No, that's just another failure of urban planning.

It's a failure of urban planning to micromanage every aspect of
everyone's lives so they can keep the buses full, which is a good thing.

Modern technology could easily be used to help schedule the frequency
and size of transit vehicles. It should even be possible possible to
provide door-to-door service for the same cost per mile as fuel alone
(say around $3 for 25 miles), but somehow city planners got focussed
on moving the cars instead of the people.

Is this like Dave Head's fantasy train?
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices
can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Actually, they use to do that in Vancouver in my Grandmother's days.

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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Pat wrote:
If you like electric blankets, you'll LOVE the electric matress pads.
They're wonderful. The heat comes up from the bottom. Not too
expensive, but absolutely wonderful.

Hah,
A reason to shop for something new. I could be a sandwich between two
electric blankets and just set the heater to 48, not 58.
Getting up to take a leak might be a bummer though.
Bill Baka

I can think of two better blankets to be in the middle of. One would be
Heather Locklear and the other would be countless other Starlets that are
out there. But, hey, I can dream, right?




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"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Well, at least someone gets my point. If you can afford an SUV and the
gas it sucks then you can damn well afford an econo-box for those little
trips.

The idea that if you can afford X, you can also afford X + Y, is
pretty silly.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices
can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

half a point each.
X plus gas = X minus gas + Y

On Mar 8, 8:01 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:

No reason to hide behind tinted windows like SUV owners do...

Look, SUV's are not selfish if you use them because of a need. I haul
4x8 lumber, 10 foot pipe segments AND have a drive in the mountains with a
30 degree slope which requires a 4x4 in wet weather. But I also have a baby
Benz diesel which easily gets 35 mpg.

You got tinted windows? Then you got nothing to hide. Besides you use
it for work. They should be required a special commercial license for
real hauling --or else tax the fakes into smaller, smarter cars.

In article 6PiIh.19510$Ym.2155@pd7urf1no,
nash wrote:

"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote in message
news
In article ,
Bill Baka wrote:

Well, at least someone gets my point. If you can afford an SUV and the
gas it sucks then you can damn well afford an econo-box for those little
trips.

The idea that if you can afford X, you can also afford X + Y, is
pretty silly.

half a point each.
X plus gas = X minus gas + Y

Unfortunately, the difference in the cost of gas for driving the SUV
short trips as opposed to driving the econobox small trips is very
small, much less than Y, so again, it doesn't work.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.