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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
Tom Keats wrote:
In article l5syi.1927$wr3.204@trndny04, Lobby Dosser writes: Ya know, it's assholes like you and Tommy that give cycling a Bad Name. No, it's assholes like you who want to give cycling a bad name. He was right about Frank. (Tommy's just annoying but not the arrogant pompous gasbag that is Frankie K.) You oughta be ashamed of yourself for being less than a Man. Or even some kind of half-ways decent human being. Wow. Just because he's pro-lid? (I don't follow these threads any more; too ****ing boring.) |
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Accused motorist frustrated by cyclist (I don't think thatdefense will fly)
Paul Berg wrote:
~ News report from KGW-TV (Portland, Oregon) - August 20, 2007 Johnny Eschweiler stood quietly during his first court appearance. Police say the 46-year-old intentionally rammed his SUV into a bicyclist during a case of road rage. According to investigators, Eschweiler got into an argument with 25-year-old bicyclist Ben Ramsdell last Friday in Southeast Portland. They said Ramsdell kicked Eschweiler's SUV. Eschweiler then followed Ramsdell around a corner and hit him with the vehicle. "I get mad at cyclists myself but we can never drive someone over with our cars. Hello? It's not acceptable," said Ramsdell's friend, Jon Barber. Barber said Ramsdell was being treated for a broken nose and severe scrapes. Police said Eschweiler was frustrated with Ramsdell for not sharing the road. "The perception on the part of the of the motorist was that the bicyclist was not yielding the roadway to him and that leads to the motorist striking the bicyclist," said Sgt. Brian Schmautz with Portland Police Bureau. A second bicyclist, Tim Mastne, unintentionally pedaled into the path of the collision. He suffered road rash all over his body. Eschweiler was charged with two counts each of second degree assault and attempted assault. The charges are Measure 11 felonies. WHAT THE HELL IS "ATTEMPTED ASSAULT" when you hit and/or run someone over on purpose?!? Sheesh... |
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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
Bill Sornson wrote:
Wait till Frank starts equating his voluminous (biased and faulty) helmet "studies" to CANCER RESEARCH AND TREATMENT! LOL I'm just amazed that there are still people that haven't filtered him out completely. I'm sure the faulty "driving helmet" argument won't be far behind! |
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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
In article N_tyi.2755$nB3.1213@trndny02,
No, it's assholes like you who want to give cycling a bad name. I wasn't talking about You. Weaseelism. And they sure do give it a bad name. They're the Block the Road types. Bicycles blocking the roads!!? Yeah, right. Those fat-assed bikes, with the volume of a PT Cruiser or Ford Excursion or 1-ton cube van. Kinda like canoes blocking trans-oceanic freighters from coming into the port. Those goddamn'd huge canoes, blocking stuff and interrupting traffic ... Havta walk around 'em at intersections when they block the sidewalk and prevent pedestrians from getting from A to B. Your POVs block each other as well as everybody else, and you know it. Bikes blocking the road!!??? snort/sniggle/guffaw Man, you're such a total idjit. In some ways, you're even amusing & funny. Bikes blocking the roads. pffffttttt! Please try to grow a brain. Or at least, in the meantime, please don't try to act like you have one. Go pop some more microwave popcorn, 'n see whatever's on TV. Maybe Disorderly Conduct is on. I love you, and I don't know why. Actually, skip growing the brain. We don't need brains, since pocket calculators were invented. Grow a heart instead. That's what this world so desperately needs. -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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Helmets: was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Suddenly, , blurted out the following:
On Aug 20, 4:54 pm, Corky K wrote: All barbs aside, I think we both agree that helmets have their place in biking. I certainly don't wear one all of the time. My two most serious crash and burns were without helmet, road riding, though I didn't land on my head nor was my head in any way injured both times (I did break a wrist in one and ended up with road rash in the other). For every story about how a helmet saved a person, there is probably one such as you proposed where a helmet had been detrimental. When I am taking a sport ride on lesser traveled roads, I don't usually wear one. When I am mountain biking down fire trails in unknown places where I am never sure what will be coming up next, I do. Enough said. There doesn't need to be a law to tell me this. I agree helmets have a place in biking - but I think that place is infinitesmal. It's certainly far, far smaller than what the helmet promoters claim. I would wear a helmet if I were in a crit race. I would wear a helmet if I were doing athletic, push-the-limit mountain biking. I might sometimes wear a helmet if I were riding in very icy winter conditions. But the American (and Australian and New Zealand) push for helmets for every ride is flagrantly silly. My wife and I recently took a long vacation in Europe. We took our bikes. We saw more people of all types using bikes of all types than we have ever seen in any American city (including ones that are famous for being "bike friendly"). Excepting obvious American bike tourists, we saw very few helmets. In fact, outside of one or two big cities, we saw almost no helmets at all. I lived for many years in Europe. What you saw was not typical. Many, many people wear helmets there. Not on trips to the store or church or such, but all of the sport riders wear them, mountain bikers too. Kids are required to wear them. Your observation is like a statistical study with an N of 1. Somehow, the people who use bicycles the most think of it as a normal activity. No funny hat necessary. OTOH, we Americans think _we_ know more about cycling, despite the fact that, as a nation, we do very little. And we think that since cycling is unusual, it is terribly dangerous. It's a bit ludicrous. - Frank Krygowski -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
SMS wrote:
Bill Sornson wrote: Wait till Frank starts equating his voluminous (biased and faulty) helmet "studies" to CANCER RESEARCH AND TREATMENT! LOL I'm just amazed that there are still people that haven't filtered him out completely. I'm sure the faulty "driving helmet" argument won't be far behind! I did plonk him. It's quite lovely...until the next newbs come along and dare express reasonable opinions. Bill "poor *******s" S. |
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Accused motorist frustrated by cyclist (I don't think thatdefense will fly)
"Bill Sornson" wrote:
Paul Berg wrote: ~ News report from KGW-TV (Portland, Oregon) - August 20, 2007 Johnny Eschweiler stood quietly during his first court appearance. Police say the 46-year-old intentionally rammed his SUV into a bicyclist during a case of road rage. According to investigators, Eschweiler got into an argument with 25-year-old bicyclist Ben Ramsdell last Friday in Southeast Portland. They said Ramsdell kicked Eschweiler's SUV. Eschweiler then followed Ramsdell around a corner and hit him with the vehicle. "I get mad at cyclists myself but we can never drive someone over with our cars. Hello? It's not acceptable," said Ramsdell's friend, Jon Barber. Barber said Ramsdell was being treated for a broken nose and severe scrapes. Police said Eschweiler was frustrated with Ramsdell for not sharing the road. "The perception on the part of the of the motorist was that the bicyclist was not yielding the roadway to him and that leads to the motorist striking the bicyclist," said Sgt. Brian Schmautz with Portland Police Bureau. A second bicyclist, Tim Mastne, unintentionally pedaled into the path of the collision. He suffered road rash all over his body. Eschweiler was charged with two counts each of second degree assault and attempted assault. The charges are Measure 11 felonies. WHAT THE HELL IS "ATTEMPTED ASSAULT" when you hit and/or run someone over on purpose?!? Sheesh... Quite right! Should be ALLEGED Attempted Assault. |
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