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Helmets: was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
On Aug 21, 2:49 am, Corky K wrote:
Suddenly, , blurted out the following: My wife and I recently took a long vacation in Europe. We took our bikes. We saw more people of all types using bikes of all types than we have ever seen in any American city (including ones that are famous for being "bike friendly"). Excepting obvious American bike tourists, we saw very few helmets. In fact, outside of one or two big cities, we saw almost no helmets at all. I lived for many years in Europe. What you saw was not typical. Many, many people wear helmets there. Not on trips to the store or church or such, but all of the sport riders wear them, mountain bikers too. Kids are required to wear them. Your observation is like a statistical study with an N of 1. Yes, the few helmets we saw were almost entirely on "sport" riders. That is, people who got out their special "fast" bike, put on their special tight shorts, their special pretty jersey, their special shoes, their special gloves, their special sunglasses, and pretended to ride fast. They had helmets. The other place I saw them was in Vienna. I'd estimate roughly 25% of the urban cyclists had helmets. But in other large cities and dozens of small villages, they simply were not seen. Look at pictures online of, say, Amsterdam cyclists. Somehow, the people who use bicycles the most think of it as a normal activity. No funny hat necessary. OTOH, we Americans think _we_ know more about cycling, despite the fact that, as a nation, we do very little. And we think that since cycling is unusual, it is terribly dangerous. It's a bit ludicrous. - Frank Krygowski |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
On Aug 21, 4:01 am, Lobby Dosser
wrote: And not really pro. Been cycling for 55+ years and have yet to wear one. You don't wear one, yet you seem to be very pro-lid. I'm not anti-lid, but I am very anti-mhl. |
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Helmets: was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
In article lksyi.1931$wr3.789@trndny04,
Lobby Dosser wrote: wrote: Why, thanks for your gracious permission! Now, can my son have your permission to make the same decision for his kid, my grandchild? See, he lives in a state where parents are not allowed that choice. And it doesn't matter if the parent (or grandparent) knows far more about this issue than the legislatures that passed the silly law. Not any more. You've probably ****ed off so many people, Helmets will be Federal Law in this decade. Do you have a point or are you just throwing your own feces? -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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Accused motorist frustrated by cyclist (I don't think that defense will fly)
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Case to go to grand jury
In article , Paul Berg wrote:
Karl Rohde, public affairs director at the nonprofit Bicycle Transportation Alliance, said although he wasn't aware of the exact circumstances that led to the crash, his organization advises against bicyclists confronting motorists. Instead, bicyclists should report dangerous drivers, and their license plates, to police, he said. I'd have to say for most things, like garden variety brush passing, calling the cops is just plain useless and not needed. Using the police IMO causes more long term harm. Instead of society being able to function and social correction to work it is authority that comes in with it's own motivations. I've found that cops are just as likely to blame the bicyclist for just using the road. That if a bicyclist didn't want to be brush passed he should get off the road. "The hope is that you can take the high road and not get into a confrontation," Rohde said. "Because in confrontations between cars and bikes, the cars win." The cars win if the bicyclist doesn't know how to handle it. Letting a driver know they nearly hit you gets two basic forms of response. Apology and '**** you'. When you get an apology it's fine... live and let live they will be more alert or understand that they need to give more space in the future (hopefully). When you get '**** you' he probably passed close on purpose and this means not getting in front of this driver again. There is little they can do when in front and what they can do can be avoided. The avoid 'confrontation' or 'just let them do it' concept only causes these arseholes to continue and increase their poor behaviors. It applies as much to driver-bicyclist as driver-driver. A grand jury is scheduled to review Eschweiler's case this week. If jurors agree that there's adequate evidence against him, he will formally be charged next week. Guess this driver didn't follow the magic words instructions. |
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Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
In article , I'm willing to bet that the hair you carried on your noggin as a 20 year old was or would have been a far more effective insulator with a foam cap on top than without one. I wore a "foam cap" then too. Never noticed the difference. Really, I think that's an argument for the sake of argumentation. Sure, the effect is non-zero, but I'll wager $100 that no one can come up with a single documented case of heat exhaustion caused by a ventilated helmet. The effect is more than non-zero; it's dramatic and obvious. Maybe to you. I only have the my own experience for comparison, but as long as I'm moving 15mph or so I can't tell the difference at all (except that I don't get a sunburn). And when I ride in weather below 35 degrees, I still have to wear a nylon head sock and ear coverings - the helmet doesn't keep nearly enough heat in to keep the ride from getting downright painful. |
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Helmets (was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists)
Marz wrote:
On Aug 21, 4:01 am, Lobby Dosser wrote: And not really pro. Been cycling for 55+ years and have yet to wear one. You don't wear one, yet you seem to be very pro-lid. Actually, he seems more anti-AHZ. (And who can blame him? LOL ) I'm not anti-lid, but I am very anti-mhl. I'm pro-lid, but anti-MHL (as are most, I suspect). What I don't get is the /pathetic emotionalism/ of the AHZs -- especially ironic since they purport to have such a detached, scientific basis for their opinions (which is all they are, after all -- opinions). Rather sad, really. Bill "weeping not" S. |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
SMS wrote: Bill Sornson wrote: Wait till Frank starts equating his voluminous (biased and faulty) helmet "studies" to CANCER RESEARCH AND TREATMENT! LOL I'm just amazed that there are still people that haven't filtered him out completely. I'm sure the faulty "driving helmet" argument won't be far behind! Cancer? Driving Helmets? Que? Too lazy (unskilled) to Google the cancer one. Wish I'd kept it. Basically, he equated the two issues in importance and complexity. Put himself (dedicated life to plastic hats LOL ) on same level as cancer researchers and docs. It was truly priceless. Driving lids is pretty simple: since more people get head injuries in cars (shocking!), then drivers should wear helmets, too. (Racers do, of course.) WHATEVER...................... |
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Helmets: was Raged motorist strikes two cyclists
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Festivus wrote: Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote: So you extrapolate an accident with a hard-shell MOTORCYCLE helmet to a BICYCLE foam hat that has 1/8 the mass and covers a significantly smaller area of the head? And you expect the foam bicycle hat to provide similar protection? Sheesh! m*v^2 ----- 2 You do the math. Does it need to supply similar protection? For the vast majority of accidents, it does not. And for the vast majority of bicycle accidents, there will be no serious head injury, lidded or lidless. The most serious bicycle injury I've personally known of was a teenager who smashed a side mirror extension with his arm and sliced open an artery. The helmet didn't help him at all. Ergo, helmets are useless. |
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