Ride an SUB not an SUV

In article ,
(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

In article
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Doc O'Leary wrote:

Again, you're getting caught up in the
current model of car-centric, bad transit planning. Stop bothering me
with things we all know are done wrong and lets move on to thinking how
they can be done right.

And again you've got no specifics.

No, I'm just not going to bother with them because your focus remains on
what is wrong currently rather than being open to making changes to get
things working right.

Prove it. Demonstrate that moving just the people *must* take more time
than moving the people *and* their cars.

The burden of proof is on you to show a system where it doesn't.

Incorrect. It is your camp that is making extraordinary claims. All
I'm interested in is moving people. It is you who have complicated the
matter by adding in the necessity to move automobiles as well. Thus the
burden is on you to demonstrate the added complexity results in
significant benefits. I continue to wait for you to back up your
position.

Because in most real life as-they-are-today systems, transit takes longer.

When did I *ever* say transit was just fine as implemented? Why do I
have to keep restating this point? I have to believe you are trolling
or astroturfing or engaging in some other anti-social behavior when you
continue to disregard my call for changes.

Takes me 20-30 minutes to get to work in traffic. Distance is 9.5
miles, straight line. Sure enough, quite slow. But the road distance
is about 17 miles. So when are your mass-transit air vehicles going
to be available?

Yes, because transit planning must *only* be the mandatory false
dichotomy between flying like a bird and a gridlock of pavement.

Taking transit, BTW, would be an exercise in futility. It's actually
possible, but it would be a three bus ride taking hours.

Modesty, sir, your psychopathy is showing again!

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"George Conklin" wrote:

"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

A car does not have to stop and pick up people ever mile or so.

Neither does mass transit.

Ok, it has to stop every 2 blocks or maybe even 3 to pick up and drop off
people. You forget I grew up on mass transit and you can't lie to me.

People only get picked up and dropped off at locations they would
already be traveling between; that is a constant regardless of the
transit mode used. Do you *honestly* believe things are less
complicated and time consuming when each individual is moving along that
same path with an object 10 times their size that they have to control
the entire time and store at the destination?

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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

Does no good George. O'Leary is obviously stone cold crazy. He cant
understand even the simplest explanations.

Could be. It could also be that your simplicity isn't sufficient to run
a well-planned transit system. Could be that you're unskilled and
unaware of it.

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"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message

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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message

Ok, it has to stop every 2 blocks or maybe even 3 to pick up and drop
off
people. You forget I grew up on mass transit and you can't lie to me.

Does no good George. O'Leary is obviously stone cold crazy. He cant
understand even the simplest explanations.



I understand what it is like when a family has no car and you are totally
dependent on mass transit and walking. That is how we grew up. My father
did keep a car, 2.5 hours away at my grandfather's house. We used it at the
cabin in the summer only. What a contrast!!! In place of shopping every
day, they shopped twice a week, just for starters.

"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

Does no good George. O'Leary is obviously stone cold crazy. He cant
understand even the simplest explanations.

Could be. It could also be that your simplicity isn't sufficient to run
a well-planned transit system. Could be that you're unskilled and
unaware of it.

NYC has a massive transit system. And no one carried groceries on it, for
example. No one. And you want to school/work standing up the whole way,
packed in like a sardine. At best some people tried to read a newspaper.
Others did nothing but stand there....most of them. Off-hours you could get
a seat only.

"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message
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In article k.net,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message

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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

A car does not have to stop and pick up people ever mile or so.

Neither does mass transit.

Ok, it has to stop every 2 blocks or maybe even 3 to pick up and drop
off
people. You forget I grew up on mass transit and you can't lie to me.

People only get picked up and dropped off at locations they would
already be traveling between;

Not so. People taking the subway to Manhattan from Brooklyn were picked
up at short intervals on the subway. No one got off. They just go on in
the AM, and off in the PM. I don't recall people traveing at all between
two local stops. No demand for that at all.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in message
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And
besides, people will always use their cars for shopping even if they

Not me. In Germany I always used the basket on my bicycle.

Going shopping every day for something to eat is a total waste of time.

It is when your tastebuds have gotten used to the taste of food that is not
fresh.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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"Doc O'Leary" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Jack May" wrote:

Does no good George. O'Leary is obviously stone cold crazy. He cant
understand even the simplest explanations.

Could be. It could also be that your simplicity isn't sufficient to run
a well-planned transit system. Could be that you're unskilled and
unaware of it.

NYC has a massive transit system. And no one carried groceries on it,
for
example. No one. And you want to school/work standing up the whole way,
packed in like a sardine. At best some people tried to read a newspaper.
Others did nothing but stand there....most of them. Off-hours you could
get
a seat only.

That is foolish. The seats are there. You are saying that literally *no
one* sat in them during peak hours?

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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On Mar 17, 10:48 am, Eeyore
wrote:
george conklin wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in
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george conklin wrote:

Death rates per 100 million miles are freely available. When
I
first
started tracking such rates, they were 10 times higher in
Europe.

I rather doubt that.

That is because you are ignorant.

No it's because you're an utter prick.

Here's my figures.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_safety

Where are yours ?

Graham

From the above link I went to this other link, surely very
interesting
for cyclists...

"With the advent of the motor car, conflict arose between the
increasingly powerful car lobby and the existing population of
bicycle
users. By the 1920s and 1930s the UK and German car lobbies initiated
efforts to have cyclists removed from the roads so as to facilitate
motorists and improve the convenience of motoring. In Germany, the
National Socialist regime was committed to promoting the mass use of
private motor cars and viewed the bicycle as an impediment to this
goal. For the National Socialist authorities, the exclusion of cycle
traffic from main routes was viewed as an important pre-requisite to
the attainment of mass-motorisation."

And I see that Nazism is very much alive.
Hail the Fuhrer!

Ok, Hitler like bicycles. According to the EU site, your death rate
on a
bicycle is 40 times higher than in a car.-

Would you care to provide a source, or it comes straight from the
Ministry of Propaganda?

No, it is one of the offical reports I located in .pdf format. So I can't
cut and paste the exact lines, and the reference is on my computer at the
cabin. But it is official, as far as I could tell.

There's a tool whenever you have a pdf open in reader, I think it looks like
a T or an A that allows you to select and copy text.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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"With the advent of the motor car, conflict arose between the
increasingly powerful car lobby and the existing population of bicycle
users. By the 1920s and 1930s the UK and German car lobbies initiated
efforts to have cyclists removed from the roads so as to facilitate
motorists and improve the convenience of motoring. In Germany, the
National Socialist regime was committed to promoting the mass use of
private motor cars and viewed the bicycle as an impediment to this
goal. For the National Socialist authorities, the exclusion of cycle
traffic from main routes was viewed as an important pre-requisite to
the attainment of mass-motorisation."

And I see that Nazism is very much alive.
Hail the Fuhrer!

Ok, Hitler like bicycles. According to the EU site, your death rate on a
bicycle is 40 times higher than in a car.

Actually, the Nazis took the bikes from the Dutch in WWII to break their
spirits.