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"Mikael Seierup" wrote in message ...

"Ben Eadie" skrev i en meddelelse news:xjsTb.3718$6X2.1043@clgrps13...

I am tired of this, came wanting to talk bents, I love bents, not political
discussions, found petty discussions on politics and anything but
recumbents.

Yea thanks for contributing to the OT stuff tho.
Anyone else want to leave just leave. Don't post.
First we get the Ed-Sherman crap.
Then 4-5 threads complaining about it.
Then the 4-5 Bye bye-threads.

And then you get my criticism of all of the above, including my
bidding good riddance to all those who want to leave.

Yea, and then wait a few weeks and the whole cycle repeats itself yet
once again almost identically. It is nothing but deja vu - like that
movie about the reoccurring Groundhog Day! I think we should rename
this newsgroup to something like "Whether to OT or not to OT - that
is the question!". We would have many thousands flocking to this new
site as they would all have something to contribute - even if it is
like you say above, just crap. By the way I have read most of Mikael
since I have been here and he contributes more than his share of crap
to this newsgroup. It is mostly on-topic crap, but still crap
nonetheless.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Tom Sherman wrote in message ...

watsonglenn wrote:

Ben Eadie wrote:
I am tired of this, came wanting to talk bents, I love bents, not
political discussions, found petty discussions on politics and anything
but recumbents.

There are dozens of threads about bents.

There are more threads complaining about off-topic political threads
than there are off-topic political threads.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities

Laughing out loud and almost rolling on the floor! OK, so you are a
very witty person after all. What you say above is perfect in
substance AND form - very rare here on ARBR. It is even worthy of
Oscar Wilde, one of the supreme wits of all time.

Tom, the thought has occurred to me that all the kill filers sooner or
later see our posts because others will be quoting our messages and
THEY will not have been kill filed by the kill filers. It is a very
sweet revenge on them I think. God, do I ever hate ostriches (only the
human kind - the real birds are probably quite wonderful).

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

gcdoss wrote in message ...
[...]
Instead of complaining about all the OT threads:::
Learn to use the kill filter and the message total will go from 50 to 10
or 12 every time you sign on just by killing 2 senders on this group.
You will never know what you're missing but you can be sure it's trash.
I usually monitor a group for a week then kill file the ones that send
more than 20 messages a week. Been doing that since the Bulletin Board
days and can pretty well stay on topic of news groups intent.
Every news group on the web has a couple S+++ disturbers. We called that
type person the 1% in the Marine Corps. They are argumentive by nature
and all the sane attempts to change them just adds fuel to their posting.
When I first joined this group Ed gave me what I considered decent
advice. Since then however I have seen nothing worth reading in his
posts. A week ago I quit seeing any messages from him or Tom and the
subject lines I get now are mostly recumbent related.
It's great not having to go through 50 posts just to see one that helps.
Just my 2 cents

gcdoss should take out a subscription to Recumbent Cyclist News if he
wants some solid information about recumbents. Instead, he wastes his
time on this newsgroup sifting for pearls of wisdom about recumbents,
most likely asking lots of stupid questions into the bargain and
driving the rest of us to distraction.

The problem that gcdoss has, along with some others on this newsgroup,
is that he is just barely literate and cannot separate the wheat from
the chaff (the on topic from the off topic) even though Google makes
this a no brainer with its subject headings as I am sure do most
newsreaders. But idiots always like to communicate with other idiots
anyway, so I am delighted that he has kill filed me and that I
therefore do have to put up with his befuddlement at my messages.
Life is good once you are rid of morons and idiots.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"EVSolutions" wrote in message
.. .

pleasant stroll from post to post into something akin to the gauntlet of
doom. People posting legitimate cycling questions & getting their chosen
grammar reviewed and then being called an ass*ole for making the
grammatical
error

Howdy Joshua and others!

What you mention above is very true. Whether it is Ed posting with circular
rhetoric or Tom correcting the spelling of a bike manufacturer, this place
is not very attractive to the new recumbent rider. If a person can
understand the basic thrust of a message, why post a grammar/spelling
correction to it? That seems rather petty and childish, AND drives off
others from posting. I've a local recumbent rider friend who is dyslexic
and his spelling, at times, can be interesting. He'd never post here
looking to get information, as he feels that his notes would be taken apart.
That just rubs me the wrong way. He may be just one example and perhaps the
needling that Tom engages in is not bothersome to others, but it bothers me
that out there in the recumbent world, there is one rider who won't come
here because of the sophomoric transgressions of one particular poster. And
with Ed, there is just no telling how many people have been put off by your
incessant, rambling posts. Why do you tilt at THIS windmill, Don Quixote?

This note will change nothing about the way either of you post, I'm sure. A
shame.

--
"Sea" ya!
--Lars S. Mulford
"You can find evil anywhere you look.
The question is, why are you looking?"

"EVSolutions" wrote

I am not a big fan of censorship and A.R.B.R. cannot be Moderated

Actually, an existing newsgroup *can* go from unmoderated
to moderated. It isn't very likely, but it is 'permitted' and reportedly
has happened. It's probably more accurate to say ARBR *will
not* become moderated.

I don't have a solution to the OT and anger, not sure there is one.

Ignoring off-topic postings may help, but not as much as
posting *more messages on-topic*! A first-time or returning
non-regular reader of a newsgroup likely doesn't know that
filtering even only a few posters can greatly change [improve]
the character of the newsgroup content. So post more messages
like you want to see [on-topic, hopefully]!

IF I had the time I'd look at doing a Moderated Version
of ARBR as the only way to get this group back on track...
but I lack the time to do it.

You may have missed the short-lived discussion of creating a
new newsgroup: rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated. It would,
as you say, require a big investment in time and energy.

Even if successful, a moderated recumbent newsgroup
wouldn't be on the same "track" as what we might idealistically
(unrealistically) remember as ARBR from years' past. We
had off-topic posts then, but it seems to me, nowhere near
the current level of persistently and intentionally offensive,
abusive, and sometimes vulgar posts.

They say, "You are what you eat."

Well, the newsgroup is what we post...

Jon Meinecke

PHEW! Not my Speed! Came yesterday, but for a moment; I had to
glsnce over to the cardboard box!

Chris J.


Bent (literally) and brown truck content combined.
http://www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/paint_steps/003_3s.jpg.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities

"Lars S. Mulford" wrote in message . ..

"EVSolutions" wrote in message
.. .

pleasant stroll from post to post into something akin to the gauntlet of
doom. People posting legitimate cycling questions & getting their chosen
grammar reviewed and then being called an ass*ole for making the
grammatical
error

Howdy Joshua and others!

What you mention above is very true. Whether it is Ed posting with circular
rhetoric or Tom correcting the spelling of a bike manufacturer, this place
is not very attractive to the new recumbent rider.

Circular rhetoric? Yes, I think you are right. I always like to drive
a point home before I leave a subject because I never trust the
intelligence of a reader to get my thought otherwise. By the way,
repetition (circular rhetoric) is the basis for all learning. Once
over lightly never works for anyone really.

If a person can
understand the basic thrust of a message, why post a grammar/spelling
correction to it? That seems rather petty and childish, AND drives off
others from posting.

I never do that sort of thing and have severely criticized others in
the past for doing it. However, when others are being petty
themselves, then I relish taking apart their posts and subjecting them
to their own medicine.

I've a local recumbent rider friend who is dyslexic
and his spelling, at times, can be interesting. He'd never post here
looking to get information, as he feels that his notes would be taken apart.
That just rubs me the wrong way. He may be just one example and perhaps the
needling that Tom engages in is not bothersome to others, but it bothers me
that out there in the recumbent world, there is one rider who won't come
here because of the sophomoric transgressions of one particular poster.

Tom mostly does this sort of thing for humor. And then some of us act
very indignant about it - and that is just humor too. Anyone who comes
to this newsgroup without a sense of humor is going to be drawn and
quartered. Trust me on this.

And
with Ed, there is just no telling how many people have been put off by your
incessant, rambling posts. Why do you tilt at THIS windmill, Don Quixote?

It is really only unintelligent people who are put off by a bit of
rambling. If you will notice, I never ramble too much. Most of the
posts here could use a bit of rambling. It would make them more
interesting and enjoyable. To stay on topic and stick to the subject
too severely is extremely boring - and it is a sort of rudeness in
itself. Mr. Sherman does this sort of posting better than anyone I
know (even when he is off topic, he is on topic for the off topic and
he never rambles). I am just the opposite. But even so, I am always
just trying to say something that I think might lighten someone's day
and increase their humanity.

This note will change nothing about the way either of you post, I'm sure. A
shame.

Yes, you are right about your message not changing anything, but it is
not a shame, far from it. Please note, Lars, that your posts do not
get many responses because they are so dull. I could teach you a few
things about how to liven up your posts. But we are mostly all old men
here and set in our ways. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. The
main adventure left in our lives is to die.

(There, Lars, did not those last three sentences in the above
paragraph lighten your day and increase your humanity? Or was that too
much "rambling" to suit you?)

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Jon Meinecke" wrote in message ws.com...

"EVSolutions" wrote

I am not a big fan of censorship and A.R.B.R. cannot be Moderated

Actually, an existing newsgroup *can* go from unmoderated
to moderated. It isn't very likely, but it is 'permitted' and reportedly
has happened. It's probably more accurate to say ARBR *will
not* become moderated.

I don't have a solution to the OT and anger, not sure there is one.

Ignoring off-topic postings may help, but not as much as
posting *more messages on-topic*! A first-time or returning
non-regular reader of a newsgroup likely doesn't know that
filtering even only a few posters can greatly change [improve]
the character of the newsgroup content. So post more messages
like you want to see [on-topic, hopefully]!

IF I had the time I'd look at doing a Moderated Version
of ARBR as the only way to get this group back on track...
but I lack the time to do it.

You may have missed the short-lived discussion of creating a
new newsgroup: rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated. It would,
as you say, require a big investment in time and energy.

Even if successful, a moderated recumbent newsgroup
wouldn't be on the same "track" as what we might idealistically
(unrealistically) remember as ARBR from years' past. We
had off-topic posts then, but it seems to me, nowhere near
the current level of persistently and intentionally offensive,
abusive, and sometimes vulgar posts.

They say, "You are what you eat."

Well, the newsgroup is what we post...

Jon Meinecke

Why is it that Mr. Meinecke can never get any responses to his posts.
Is it because he is always so dull and on topic all the time? Or is it
because he just has just one crazy idea after another all the time and
no one, but no one, takes him seriously. Better to be a jackass like
myself and at least entertain someone if you can't inform them about
anything they want to be informed about. If it weren't for me taking
his posts somewhat seriously, he might as well be writing to someone
on the planet Mars.

We
had off-topic posts then, but it seems to me, nowhere near
the current level of persistently and intentionally offensive,
abusive, and sometimes vulgar posts.

Everyone who thinks the above about me should get themselves a sense
of humor. I do not put smileys all over my posts because I figure
everyone here is intelligent enough to get my meanings. But there are
some really serious folks in this world, like Mr. Meinecke, who are
quick to take offense. I think they must be of Germanic origin as
those peoples do have the reputation for being dour and serious. We
Irish are not like that. We like to poke fun at seriousness because we
think it is mostly quite ridiculous.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota