value of a cyclist's life

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:56:39 PM UTC-5, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
Judge's decision propels a suit in civil court for damages by the family. Just sayin...

civil authority fines go into civil authority not the victims family

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117

You would think that in a country that is actively pro-cyclist that they
would have taken a lot more interest in bicyclists safety.

You are correct, of course. In fact, the transport secretary himself teaches
*free* civics & cycling safety classes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/chris-grayling-sent-cyclist-flying-with-his-car-door-video-shows

There are certain advantages to the US ability to sue hell out of people that do those sorts of things.

Tell me Tom what do you think is an appropriate penalty for this woman who made a mistake with tragic consequences?

Lou

On 3/4/2017 3:57 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117

You would think that in a country that is actively pro-cyclist that they
would have taken a lot more interest in bicyclists safety.

You are correct, of course. In fact, the transport secretary himself teaches
*free* civics & cycling safety classes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/chris-grayling-sent-cyclist-flying-with-his-car-door-video-shows

There are certain advantages to the US ability to sue hell out of people that do those sorts of things.


Hah. Hah. Hah. On what planet?


http://isthmus.com/news/news/cops-ti...t-by-car-door/

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On 3/4/2017 8:25 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 11:59:50 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117


Life everywhere today seems to be really cheap. Not bicycling but how about a 13 year old boy buying a semi-automatic handgun for protection and then accidently" shooting and killing a 14 year old girl and he gets "TORONTO — A teenage boy will have to serve six months in open custody and nearly a year on probation in the death of a 14-year-old girl who was struck by a stray bullet in northwest Toronto nearly two years ago."?

Whether a car or a gun in Canada, you can get away with murder with hardly any punishment these days.

Cheers


I was trying to stick with bicycles but since you mention
general punishment of the taxpayers and citizenry there's this:

http://maggionews.com/25-million-chi...-gang-kingpin/

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AMuzi wrote in news
http://isthmus.com/news/news/cops-ti...t-by-car-door/

WTF!?
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On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 5:57:03 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117

You would think that in a country that is actively pro-cyclist that they
would have taken a lot more interest in bicyclists safety.

You are correct, of course. In fact, the transport secretary himself teaches
*free* civics & cycling safety classes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/chris-grayling-sent-cyclist-flying-with-his-car-door-video-shows

There are certain advantages to the US ability to sue hell out of people that do those sorts of things.

Tell me Tom what do you think is an appropriate penalty for this woman who made a mistake with tragic consequences?

lou, I wasn't in the courtroom and I didn't hear the evidence. And I don't know what occurred under the table in the negotiations between the prosecutor and the defense.

This DOES seem extremely light. But then seeing rapists get off with a slap on the wrist and being on the jury of a pedophile who got 60 days in jail to be served one day a week (remember you get one day off for one day of good behaviour) makes me wonder what sort of justice system we have and what a life is really worth of a government.

There are some criminals that are ALWAYS criminals except in extremely rare circumstances - pedophiles are ALWAYS pedophiles. Arsonists are ALWAYS that way. Illegal drug addicts that have used for more than a couple of months are ALWAYS addicts though they can stop for short periods with very large incentives. But the second there are additional stresses they are back on the stuff. Serial rapist are mentally ill and cannot be stopped except with grave threats of punishment. That's why they have to wear leg bracelets and even then will rape.

I suspect but don't KNOW that speeders and drunk drivers with more than one charge are addicted to those actions as well.

On the other hand it is unusual for a murderer to repeat. 90% or more murders are crimes of passion. You can remove the incentives to rob and steal. Drunkenness in and of itself is not criminal. Drunks can learn not to drive while drunk.

So the answer is that I don't know enough about the specific case to judge anything about it and the media are nothing but a bunch of lying *******s. While I was in Vietnam my older brother was studying journalism in college and he served apprenticeship at a major news paper. After what he saw he quit and went to work for the railroad. He is so distructful of the media that he doesn't even believe that 9/11 was committed by Arabs.

On 3/5/2017 10:41 AM, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
AMuzi wrote in news
http://isthmus.com/news/news/cops-ti...t-by-car-door/

WTF!?


Nothing new. General government policy, always, worldwide:
bayonet the wounded.

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On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:14:46 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 5:57:03 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117

You would think that in a country that is actively pro-cyclist that they
would have taken a lot more interest in bicyclists safety.

You are correct, of course. In fact, the transport secretary himself teaches
*free* civics & cycling safety classes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/chris-grayling-sent-cyclist-flying-with-his-car-door-video-shows

There are certain advantages to the US ability to sue hell out of people that do those sorts of things.

Tell me Tom what do you think is an appropriate penalty for this woman who made a mistake with tragic consequences?

lou, I wasn't in the courtroom and I didn't hear the evidence. And I don't know what occurred under the table in the negotiations between the prosecutor and the defense.

This DOES seem extremely light. But then seeing rapists get off with a slap on the wrist and being on the jury of a pedophile who got 60 days in jail to be served one day a week (remember you get one day off for one day of good behaviour) makes me wonder what sort of justice system we have and what a life is really worth of a government.

There are some criminals that are ALWAYS criminals except in extremely rare circumstances - pedophiles are ALWAYS pedophiles. Arsonists are ALWAYS that way. Illegal drug addicts that have used for more than a couple of months are ALWAYS addicts though they can stop for short periods with very large incentives. But the second there are additional stresses they are back on the stuff. Serial rapist are mentally ill and cannot be stopped except with grave threats of punishment. That's why they have to wear leg bracelets and even then will rape.

I suspect but don't KNOW that speeders and drunk drivers with more than one charge are addicted to those actions as well.

On the other hand it is unusual for a murderer to repeat. 90% or more murders are crimes of passion. You can remove the incentives to rob and steal. Drunkenness in and of itself is not criminal. Drunks can learn not to drive while drunk.

So the answer is that I don't know enough about the specific case to judge anything about it and the media are nothing but a bunch of lying *******s.. While I was in Vietnam my older brother was studying journalism in college and he served apprenticeship at a major news paper. After what he saw he quit and went to work for the railroad. He is so distructful of the media that he doesn't even believe that 9/11 was committed by Arabs.

Thanks for your explanation. I don't know why Andrew post these things but to me they seem judgemental without knowing the whole story.

Lou

Crusader !

Read

https://www.google.com/search?client...iw=360&bih=560

During American involvement in TdF accidents rose without regard to cyclist rights or evidence examination ...

Finally, cyclists earned a safety zone as as statutory evidence of vehicular wrong doing.

Very regional. I live in the Zoo. Andy lives in Farmerville as Frank but Andy ville is more violent than Franks. The Californians .....

Again, when the judge awards damages in a criminal court the the way to civil court damages is open. I doahn know why $80 ... a common fine is $200 ...poss personal relevance.

There's the problem of squeezing blog from a stone for pursuing civil action ...

On 3/6/2017 3:01 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:14:46 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 5:57:03 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:57:12 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 8:59:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
We were aghast last autumn when a suburban Chicago judge
fined a driver $150 for killing a cyclist walking her bike
in a crosswalk. The bar is now lower, only 80 GBP:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...yclist-9962117

You would think that in a country that is actively pro-cyclist that they
would have taken a lot more interest in bicyclists safety.

You are correct, of course. In fact, the transport secretary himself teaches
*free* civics & cycling safety classes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/chris-grayling-sent-cyclist-flying-with-his-car-door-video-shows

There are certain advantages to the US ability to sue hell out of people that do those sorts of things.

Tell me Tom what do you think is an appropriate penalty for this woman who made a mistake with tragic consequences?

lou, I wasn't in the courtroom and I didn't hear the evidence. And I don't know what occurred under the table in the negotiations between the prosecutor and the defense.

This DOES seem extremely light. But then seeing rapists get off with a slap on the wrist and being on the jury of a pedophile who got 60 days in jail to be served one day a week (remember you get one day off for one day of good behaviour) makes me wonder what sort of justice system we have and what a life is really worth of a government.

There are some criminals that are ALWAYS criminals except in extremely rare circumstances - pedophiles are ALWAYS pedophiles. Arsonists are ALWAYS that way. Illegal drug addicts that have used for more than a couple of months are ALWAYS addicts though they can stop for short periods with very large incentives. But the second there are additional stresses they are back on the stuff. Serial rapist are mentally ill and cannot be stopped except with grave threats of punishment. That's why they have to wear leg bracelets and even then will rape.

I suspect but don't KNOW that speeders and drunk drivers with more than one charge are addicted to those actions as well.

On the other hand it is unusual for a murderer to repeat. 90% or more murders are crimes of passion. You can remove the incentives to rob and steal. Drunkenness in and of itself is not criminal. Drunks can learn not to drive while drunk.

So the answer is that I don't know enough about the specific case to judge anything about it and the media are nothing but a bunch of lying *******s. While I was in Vietnam my older brother was studying journalism in college and he served apprenticeship at a major news paper. After what he saw he quit and went to work for the railroad. He is so distructful of the media that he doesn't even believe that 9/11 was committed by Arabs.

Thanks for your explanation. I don't know why Andrew post these things but to me they seem judgemental without knowing the whole story.

Lou


I post them from time to time as an exercise in the
perceived place of cyclists in society.

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