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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me pastâ€, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. How can it be unlawful to stop where stopping and waiting are not prohibited? A double-yellow doesn't even *mean* "no stopping". Only two likely explanations, on this newsgroup, I would say: 1. 'He's not qualified as a driver, so, strictly speaking, he's a cyclist'. 2. 'He is clearly short of shilling'. If only we knew how many tattoos he has, and we had a psycologist well versed in the subject of tattoos handy. (I know someone who stands in for such a 'tattoo expert' - although it would probably require for the driver to definitely be a cyclist for this 'expert' to be absolutely sure). Anyway, I hope the cyclist (the one riding a bicycle) didn't complain and hand that video clip into the police. The driver wasn't so much dangerous (dawdling at that speed, when he wasn't actually stopped) as simply dopey. We shouldn't all descend to the lowest denominator - primed and ready to make like life even more difficult for one another at the slightest provocation. All it takes is a little more patience plus a bit of give and take, and all us road users could get on a whole lot better. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 08/06/2020 21:46, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me pastâ€, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. With the engine running the driver was still in nominal control of the car. So yes, technically an offence. The positive is that a country lane is obviously too difficult for a driver to focus concentration elsewhere without slowing down below bike speed. So it's a much safer place than a featureless main road. shrug Whatever was meant to mean. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote:
On 08/06/2020 20:20, TMS320 wrote: On 08/06/2020 17:32, JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me past”, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? For all your talk about laws, what an utterly pathetic response. Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
JNugent wrote:
On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver "I thought you were letting me past", to which he cheerfully replied: "No, I was just playing on my phone!" The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver's explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: "Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. How can it be unlawful to stop where stopping and waiting are not prohibited? A double-yellow doesn't even *mean* "no stopping". But that is is not what this incident is about, is it? Here we have evidence (all on video) of a driver in control of a vehicle which is moving slowly before stopping in the middle of a single track country lane. A cyclist comes up behind the vehicle, waits for a little while and then starts to creep past it, only for the vehicle to start moving again before stopping again. She (the cyclist) eventually gets within speaking distance of the vehicle's driver and says to him, "Sorry, I thought you were letting me past." To which the driver replies, "No, I'm playing with my phone!" as he proudly shows her his phone. The unlawful act is not the driver's stopping and waiting, it's the use of his hand-held device while driving. He must still be driving because the vehicle is moving, albeit it intermittently, all this is cleary shown in the video - anyway, even if it had been stationary, who safely parks a vehicle dead in the middle of a single track country lane? QUOTE: When can you use a phone in your vehicle? The law is clear on when you can use a hand-held device behind the wheel. It is only legal if you are safely parked - and this does not include waiting in traffic or stationary at the traffic lights. [...] Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. This is still the case if the engine stops automatically to save fuel (called 'start-stop technology). [...] What are the penalties for using your phone while driving? ... Today, it is a Fixed Penalty Notice of 200, and six penalty points on your licence. UNQUOTE https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...le-phone-laws/ |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 20:20, TMS320 wrote: On 08/06/2020 17:32, JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me past”, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? For all your talk about laws, what an utterly pathetic response. Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? If he was permitted to stop (and we all know you're not allowed to drive whilst using a "mobile device"), and if he stopped whilst doing so, what is the point of the criticism? |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 09:11, Kelly wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver "I thought you were letting me past", to which he cheerfully replied: "No, I was just playing on my phone!" The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver's explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: "Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. How can it be unlawful to stop where stopping and waiting are not prohibited? A double-yellow doesn't even *mean* "no stopping". But that is is not what this incident is about, is it? Here we have evidence (all on video) of a driver in control of a vehicle which is moving slowly before stopping in the middle of a single track country lane. A cyclist comes up behind the vehicle, waits for a little while and then starts to creep past it, only for the vehicle to start moving again before stopping again. She (the cyclist) eventually gets within speaking distance of the vehicle's driver and says to him, "Sorry, I thought you were letting me past." To which the driver replies, "No, I'm playing with my phone!" as he proudly shows her his phone. The unlawful act is not the driver's stopping and waiting, it's the use of his hand-held device while driving. He must still be driving because the vehicle is moving, albeit it intermittently, all this is cleary shown in the video - anyway, even if it had been stationary, who safely parks a vehicle dead in the middle of a single track country lane? QUOTE: When can you use a phone in your vehicle? The law is clear on when you can use a hand-held device behind the wheel. It is only legal if you are safely parked - and this does not include waiting in traffic or stationary at the traffic lights. [...] Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. This is still the case if the engine stops automatically to save fuel (called 'start-stop technology’). [...] What are the penalties for using your phone while driving? ... Today, it is a Fixed Penalty Notice of £200, and six penalty points on your licence. UNQUOTE https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...le-phone-laws/ I am dead against the use of handheld phones whilst driving, but does picking up and showing an item to someone count as "using" it and if so, has that principle been tested in court? Asking for a friend. PS: If the road is a genuinely single-track road, it really doesn't matter whether a stationary vehicle is up against the left verge, in the middle or up against the right verge, does it? |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
JNugent wrote:
On 09/06/2020 09:11, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver "I thought you were letting me past", to which he cheerfully replied: "No, I was just playing on my phone!" The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver's explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: "Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. How can it be unlawful to stop where stopping and waiting are not prohibited? A double-yellow doesn't even *mean* "no stopping". But that is is not what this incident is about, is it? Here we have evidence (all on video) of a driver in control of a vehicle which is moving slowly before stopping in the middle of a single track country lane. A cyclist comes up behind the vehicle, waits for a little while and then starts to creep past it, only for the vehicle to start moving again before stopping again. She (the cyclist) eventually gets within speaking distance of the vehicle's driver and says to him, "Sorry, I thought you were letting me past." To which the driver replies, "No, I'm playing with my phone!" as he proudly shows her his phone. The unlawful act is not the driver's stopping and waiting, it's the use of his hand-held device while driving. He must still be driving because the vehicle is moving, albeit it intermittently, all this is cleary shown in the video - anyway, even if it had been stationary, who safely parks a vehicle dead in the middle of a single track country lane? QUOTE: When can you use a phone in your vehicle? The law is clear on when you can use a hand-held device behind the wheel. It is only legal if you are safely parked - and this does not include waiting in traffic or stationary at the traffic lights. [...] Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. This is still the case if the engine stops automatically to save fuel (called 'start-stop technology’). [...] What are the penalties for using your phone while driving? ... Today, it is a Fixed Penalty Notice of £200, and six penalty points on your licence. UNQUOTE https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...le-phone-laws/ I am dead against the use of handheld phones whilst driving, but does picking up and showing an item to someone count as "using" it and if so, has that principle been tested in court? Asking for a friend. Maybe you could tell your friend that I don't know if that principle has been tested in court, but I wouldn't like to be the one to test it. And, until some brave soul does, I'll be content to go along with the RAC's advice which is: " If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands." PS: If the road is a genuinely single-track road, it really doesn't matter whether a stationary vehicle is up against the left verge, in the middle or up against the right verge, does it? No, you are right, it doesn't - it will still be causing a total obstruction wherever. Doesn't it follow, though, that you can't possibly safely park your vehicle in such circumstances. Best, I would have thought, would be to wait for somewhere you can pull over and into before safely parking your vehicle there. Then, switch off the engine and play with your handheld phone to your heart's desire. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:11:10 AM UTC+1, Kelly wrote:
Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. Plus you should not be "playing with you phone" while driving as this idiot even admitted to doing. Hopefully, the police will investigate the offence. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:11:10 AM UTC+1, Kelly wrote:
Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. T Plus you should not be "playing with your phone" while driving, as this idiot even admitted to doing. Hopefully, the police will investigate the offence. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
Simon Mason wrote:
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:11:10 AM UTC+1, Kelly wrote: Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. T Plus you should not be "playing with your phone" while driving, as this idiot even admitted to doing. Hopefully, the police will investigate the offence. I think he at risk of being fully penalised if the police do investigate. But I don't think he properly understands what the relevant law is, he didn't even try to hide the fact he was using his phone, on the contrary, he actually freely showed that he was. Also, I don't think it was particularly dangerous in those circumstance but we all know what the letter of the law is like. Still, all things being equal, if a lenient view was taken there would be the option of him getting away with a telling off and/or possibly a driver's awareness course type of thing, but who knows? |
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