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Old January 16th 12, 06:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill[_2_]
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than A Conventional Machine

For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.

Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


Bret Cahill

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Old January 17th 12, 01:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than A Conventional Machine

In article ,
Phil W Lee wrote:

Bret Cahill considered Mon, 16 Jan 2012
09:35:20 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.

Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


Bret Cahill


But there are additional costs throughout the supply chain, not just
in production.
It's much easier to sell a bike if you have examples on display, and
available for test ride.
That is much easier (less expensive) to arrange on an item that you
will sell several a week of, than something that an individual dealer
will shift a few of per year (or maybe none, for some models - while
it's necessary to offer a good range, you won't necessarily sell one
of everything in it each year).
And the majority of those sales will need far more attention (time is
money), due to the variability between different models and the lack
of experience which most customers will have of them.

All this is only solvable with an increase in sales.


indeed which is why i suspect they will remain a small market.
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Old January 17th 12, 01:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 16/01/2012 17:35, Bret Cahill wrote:
For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.


But the marketing guys realise that cyclists are inherently gullible &
price things accordingly.



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Old January 17th 12, 06:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Jan 17, 12:17*am, Roger Merriman wrote:
In article ,
*Phil W Lee wrote:





Bret Cahill considered Mon, 16 Jan 2012
09:35:20 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:


For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.


Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


Bret Cahill


But there are additional costs throughout the supply chain, not just
in production.
It's much easier to sell a bike if you have examples on display, and
available for test ride.
That is much easier (less expensive) to arrange on an item that you
will sell several a week of, than something that an individual dealer
will shift a few of per year (or maybe none, for some models - while
it's necessary to offer a good range, you won't necessarily sell one
of everything in it each year).
And the majority of those sales will need far more attention (time is
money), due to the variability between different models and the lack
of experience which most customers will have of them.


All this is only solvable with an increase in sales.


indeed which is why i suspect they will remain a small market.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I would never buy one even though I could afford it.
They are too low and not visible enough, plus you would breathe in a
load of crap that cars chuck out.

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Old January 17th 12, 02:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than A Conventional Machine

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:41:50 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

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I would never buy one even though I could afford it.



I wonder why so many of the psycholists here have to tell us how much they have spent on this thing or that thing.

I think it must be some sort of insecurity.

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Old January 17th 12, 04:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:35:20 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
wrote:

For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.

Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


My recumbent cost around 2.5x an equivalently specified stick-bike.

Guy
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Old January 17th 12, 04:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...


But there are additional costs throughout the supply chain, not just
in production.
It's much easier to sell a bike if you have examples on display, and
available for test ride.
That is much easier (less expensive) to arrange on an item that you
will sell several a week of, than something that an individual dealer
will shift a few of per year (or maybe none, for some models - while
it's necessary to offer a good range, you won't necessarily sell one
of everything in it each year).


Isn't another problem that everyone knows how to ride a conventional bike,
but a 'bent will need more practice which you can't really do in a showroom?

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Old January 17th 12, 04:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than A Conventional Machine

In article
,
Simon Mason wrote:

On Jan 17, 12:17*am, Roger Merriman wrote:
In article ,
*Phil W Lee wrote:





Bret Cahill considered Mon, 16 Jan 2012
09:35:20 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:


For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.


Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


Bret Cahill


But there are additional costs throughout the supply chain, not just
in production.
It's much easier to sell a bike if you have examples on display, and
available for test ride.
That is much easier (less expensive) to arrange on an item that you
will sell several a week of, than something that an individual dealer
will shift a few of per year (or maybe none, for some models - while
it's necessary to offer a good range, you won't necessarily sell one
of everything in it each year).
And the majority of those sales will need far more attention (time is
money), due to the variability between different models and the lack
of experience which most customers will have of them.


All this is only solvable with an increase in sales.


indeed which is why i suspect they will remain a small market.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -


I would never buy one even though I could afford it.
They are too low and not visible enough, plus you would breathe in a
load of crap that cars chuck out.

--
Simon Mason


I have used a double one for cycling around Bushy Park with lads with
learning difficulties.

not sure I like the postion.

But I don't any are great commute bikes, more your sunday special any
how.

though some folks clearly do but they tend to have open fast roads to
let the bike play to it's strenghts.

Roger
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Old January 17th 12, 05:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill[_2_]
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than AConventional Machine

For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.


Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


My recumbent cost around 2.5x an equivalently specified stick-bike.


Bicycles are one of the all time most popular consumer items so even a
small sub market is well into volume production.

Guy
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Old January 17th 12, 05:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bret Cahill[_2_]
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Default Why A Recumbent Costs An Order of Magnitude More Than AConventional Machine

For the same craftsmanship and components a recumbent should cost at
most 2X - 3X more than a conventional bicycle.


Volume production brings down the price a lot in the beginning but
diminishing returns soon kicks in.


Bret Cahill


But there are additional costs throughout the supply chain, not just
in production.
It's much easier to sell a bike if you have examples on display, and
available for test ride.
That is much easier (less expensive) to arrange on an item that you
will sell several a week of, than something that an individual dealer
will shift a few of per year (or maybe none, for some models - while
it's necessary to offer a good range, you won't necessarily sell one
of everything in it each year).
And the majority of those sales will need far more attention (time is
money), due to the variability between different models and the lack
of experience which most customers will have of them.


All this is only solvable with an increase in sales.


indeed which is why i suspect they will remain a small market.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


I would never buy one even though I could afford it.
They are too low and not visible enough, plus you would breathe in a
load of crap that cars chuck out.


They could be designed so the rider is off the ground but then they
would be hard to mount and the aerodynamic advantage would largely
disappear.


Bret Cahill


 




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