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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
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Donald Munro wrote: Diablo Scott wrote: But how will he prevent LNDD/Equipe from sabotaging his samples again? Ryan Cousineau wrote: By not winning. Your logic ties him up and rapes him. My logic could face the death penalty in Texas. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "mtb Dad" wrote in message ... On Sep 12, 12:08 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote: Lance was never particularly enthusiastic about doping from a philosophical point of view. He saw it as a necessary part of racing, and feared getting popped only slightly less than he feared losing. I think that he probably was using all sorts of drugs before his cancer as was noted by Andreu's wife and then used as proof that because he used drugs before he got so near death it proved that he used drugs after. I think the best evidence that Lance used drugs was a combination of the various eye-witnesses and his performance in a peloton that, in retrospect, was probably doped from end to end. Double win: do the new-fangled biological passport thing, race clean, and reestablish his legacy by winning a few things (not necessarily the Tour; he is 37 after all, and that's 81 in bike-racer years) while clean, thus clearing his reputation and his conscience all in one blow, plus making all the current young guns look like pretenders to the throne. What if he were to win the Tour with an average speed at or higher than his other wins? What if this was done while he had a complete biological passport workup? Does this mean that his rides before were or weren't drugged? Ultimately, that will depend on where David Millar finishes, of course. In all seriousness, peloton speeds are way too variable to be a useful proxy for doped-up performance. If his VAM on key climbs goes up by 5%, though, then we'll talk. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
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, mtb Dad wrote: On Sep 12, 12:08*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote: LA's legacy is currently tainted, to a large extent, by the "did he dope?" question. He's noticed. I asked my evil vanishing twin about this, and here's what he had to say: Lance was never particularly enthusiastic about doping from a philosophical point of view. He saw it as a necessary part of racing, and feared getting popped only slightly less than he feared losing. Lance sincerely believes that the current peleton [sic; my evil twin can't spell very well] is clean enough that he could compete clean. Double win: do the new-fangled biological passport thing, race clean, and reestablish his legacy by winning a few things (not necessarily the Tour; he is 37 after all, and that's 81 in bike-racer years) while clean, thus clearing his reputation and his conscience all in one blow, plus making all the current young guns look like pretenders to the throne. I think you might be at least partly right. The only reservation I have is his apparent ruthlessness towards Simeoni and other anti- doping types. And if he was as ambivalent to doping as you say, why not advocate for better doping control? This years Tour demonstrated that as simple a thing as chaperones threw the dopers into a biy of a tail spin. How hard would it have been to ask for that? Retroactive testing might have been harder to ask for though . Remember, this theory isn't mine, it belongs to my evil vanishing twin, who must remain nameless because he writes my secret blog. I, myself, would never engage in such utterly reckless and unfounded speculation. My evil twin suggests that you reread the first paragraph: Lance feared getting popped only slightly less than he feared losing. I think it's fair to say that more than seeing Simeoni as an enemy of doping, he saw him as an enemy of Lance's reputation. My personal feeling is that the UCI leadership is more responsible than anyone for maintainng the doping culture that supports your theory. When's the truth and reconciliation commission for that era? The truth and reconciliation committee knocked on Zabel and Riis' doors, and demanded their shirts back. Which is pretty emblematic of how screwed up cycling is, really. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
On Sep 12, 3:52*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"mtb Dad" wrote in message ... On Sep 12, 12:08 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote: Lance was never particularly enthusiastic about doping from a philosophical point of view. He saw it as a necessary part of racing, and feared getting popped only slightly less than he feared losing. I think that he probably was using all sorts of drugs before his cancer as was noted by Andreu's wife and then used as proof that because he used drugs before he got so near death it proved that he used drugs after. you wouldn't consider andreu's wife might have been bought for false testimony by the insurance company that owed lance ? who were the doctors in the room at the time ? men in black perhaps ? |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
Diablo Scott wrote:
But how will he prevent LNDD/Equipe from sabotaging his samples again? Ryan Cousineau wrote: By not winning. Donald Munro wrote: Your logic ties him up and rapes him. Ryan Cousineau wrote: My logic could face the death penalty in Texas. Logic is illegal in Texas. |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
On Sep 12, 10:15*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
What would it cost to buy off Betsy? "A lot" is my guess; by any calculus such a lie was going to seriously screw up her husband's life and career (and I'd argue that's what happened). Argue? Robbie Ventura is slowly taking over his job. |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
On Sep 12, 3:17*pm, wrote:
he learned that Wiens was in his 40s.- Hide quoted text - I hope he asks Wiens to go ride on the road with him. He's obviously got a huge engine. Mark |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
On Sep 13, 12:15*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article , wrote: On Sep 12, 3:52*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "mtb Dad" wrote in message .... On Sep 12, 12:08 am, Ryan Cousineau wrote: Lance was never particularly enthusiastic about doping from a philosophical point of view. He saw it as a necessary part of racing, and feared getting popped only slightly less than he feared losing. I think that he probably was using all sorts of drugs before his cancer as was noted by Andreu's wife and then used as proof that because he used drugs before he got so near death it proved that he used drugs after. you wouldn't consider andreu's wife might have been bought for false testimony by the insurance company that owed lance ? who were the doctors in the room at the time ? men in black perhaps ? Well, I'd consider that, but it requires a pretty big conspiracy, for a pretty small payoff. What would it cost to buy off Betsy? "A lot" is my guess; by any calculus such a lie was going to seriously screw up her husband's life and career (and I'd argue that's what happened). Then you have to look at the real return to the insurers, who would specifically reap that yield, and the monstrously large penalties if any one of the conspirators were caught. -- Ryan Cousineau / "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It sounds like the possibility never occured to you before; consider frankie- yes it cost him his job, but it could've cost him his wife if he didn't side with her, some people take their marriage vows very seriously, and according to walshs book frankie stated he didn't actually hear what his wife said she heard. insurance companies especially in the states, or off shore, have not been known as icons of honesty, fairness and integrity. no one says " he's as honest or fair as an insurance company" unless they say it in a sarcastic manner. insurers think in terms of mathematical possibilities and win/ loss gaming theory- everything has some risk, but for say perhaps $500 000, they thought they could save $5 million. getting caught ? nah, it was just an overly zealous now ex-employee. guess they didn't expect to lose double in the settlement, otherwise they would've paid him the 5 straight out as it still would've been cheaper than the $10 million they were ordered. I reciently read that lance allowed the retesting of the 1999 samples that they state showed some blood doping... now, if he had cheated he had gotten away with it till then, so why would he then allow retesting ? if you pass an academic exam, or say some job performance evaluation, would you really want to risk those results by agreeing to doing it again ? that just goes against human nature to me. I don't think lance knew at the time he was asked that the retesting would destroy those last samples, that's like agreeing to go to court a 2nd time on serious charges because your lawyer tells you that even if the verict is guilty, he can say double-jepoardy, anull the verdict and you're clear for life of those charges- that just doesn't happen. |
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A demented theory of why Lance is coming back
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... On Sep 12, 10:15 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote: What would it cost to buy off Betsy? "A lot" is my guess; by any calculus such a lie was going to seriously screw up her husband's life and career (and I'd argue that's what happened). Argue? Robbie Ventura is slowly taking over his job. What has that got to do with anything? Maybe you haven't noticed it but Franky isn't exactly the most exciting TV commentator we've ever seen. Why wouldn't you expect someone a bit more interesting to take over? |
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