Biker killed by Pick up

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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| Mudflap writes:
|
| Edward Dike, III wrote:
| "MRiordan95" wrote in message
| ...
|
| I would like to learn more about: "..."Mudflap"
| wrote in message
| hlink.net..
| .
| | Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road
| | in last 2 years. Once he even had to call a wrecker to pull his
| | truck out of the ditch he forced rider into. You figure it
| | out..."
|
| I read nothing of the above accusations in that newspaper article,
| or anywhere else ED3
|
| Most of my info came from the dead riders long time riding
| partner. A very trusted business leader. There may be more to tell
| in near future as investigation goes on.
|
| I'm sure we'll appreciate updates as that happens. It strikes me as
| bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events.
|
| That area where he was killed is full of rich and powerful people.
|
| Which has what to do with aught?

"...It strikes me as
bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events..."

This was my thought as well.

And perhaps a bit of advise to 'mudflap':

Don't use terms like murder when they are inaccurate, and unproven
Read what you type before posting;
Fragments(incorrectly punctuated or otherwise), such as:

:...Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road in last
2 years..."

and:

"...Most of my info came from the dead riders..."

can be interpreted many ways- all of which I suspect at this point- are
inaccurate.

My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Walters.

ED3

Edward Dike, III wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
| Mudflap writes:
|
| Edward Dike, III wrote:
| "MRiordan95" wrote in message
| ...
|
| I would like to learn more about: "..."Mudflap"
| wrote in message
| hlink.net..
| .
| | Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road
| | in last 2 years. Once he even had to call a wrecker to pull his
| | truck out of the ditch he forced rider into. You figure it
| | out..."
|
| I read nothing of the above accusations in that newspaper article,
| or anywhere else ED3
|
| Most of my info came from the dead riders long time riding
| partner. A very trusted business leader. There may be more to tell
| in near future as investigation goes on.
|
| I'm sure we'll appreciate updates as that happens. It strikes me as
| bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events.
|
| That area where he was killed is full of rich and powerful people.
|
| Which has what to do with aught?

"...It strikes me as
bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events..."

This was my thought as well.

And perhaps a bit of advise to 'mudflap':

Don't use terms like murder when they are inaccurate, and unproven
Read what you type before posting;
Fragments(incorrectly punctuated or otherwise), such as:

:...Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road in last
2 years..."

and:

"...Most of my info came from the dead riders..."

can be interpreted many ways- all of which I suspect at this point- are
inaccurate.

My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Walters.

ED3




You guys that just like to argue without facts are right as usual about
everything in the universe. Therefore :: I have came to the conclusion
that since you don't ride that road this is none of your business,
sooooooooooo the subject is closed from my end.
You can raise your clueless arguments with someone who cares about your
uninformed opinions..
By the way 14 complaints were called in but not a single one was acted on.
Case closed..

Edward Dike, III wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
| Mudflap writes:
|
| Edward Dike, III wrote:
| "MRiordan95" wrote in message
| ...
|
| I would like to learn more about: "..."Mudflap"
| wrote in message
| hlink.net..
| .
| | Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road
| | in last 2 years. Once he even had to call a wrecker to pull his
| | truck out of the ditch he forced rider into. You figure it
| | out..."
|
| I read nothing of the above accusations in that newspaper article,
| or anywhere else ED3
|
| Most of my info came from the dead riders long time riding
| partner. A very trusted business leader. There may be more to tell
| in near future as investigation goes on.
|
| I'm sure we'll appreciate updates as that happens. It strikes me as
| bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events.
|
| That area where he was killed is full of rich and powerful people.
|
| Which has what to do with aught?

"...It strikes me as
bizarre that a complaint wasn't filed after earlier events..."

This was my thought as well.

And perhaps a bit of advise to 'mudflap':

Don't use terms like murder when they are inaccurate, and unproven
Read what you type before posting;
Fragments(incorrectly punctuated or otherwise), such as:

:...Same pickup driver has ran over 25 club riders off the same road in last
2 years..."

and:

"...Most of my info came from the dead riders..."

can be interpreted many ways- all of which I suspect at this point- are
inaccurate.

My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Walters.

ED3




You guys that just like to argue without facts are right as usual about
everything in the universe. Therefore :: I have came to the conclusion
that since you don't ride that road this is none of your business,
sooooooooooo the subject is closed from my end.
You can raise your clueless arguments with someone who cares about your
uninformed opinions..
By the way 14 complaints were called in but not a single one was acted on.
Case closed..

Seems to me that folks have been asking you to provide facts that
support your assertion that the gentleman was murdered.

You might want to keep in mind that those "rich and powerful" people
who live in that area can usually afford lawyers.
Libel: a. A written or oral defamatory statement or representation that
conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression. b. A statement or
representation published without just cause and tending to expose
another to public contempt. - Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary
(Tenth Edition)

If you want to take you ball and go home, that's OK with me.
Dick Durbin

Seems to me that folks have been asking you to provide facts that
support your assertion that the gentleman was murdered.

You might want to keep in mind that those "rich and powerful" people
who live in that area can usually afford lawyers.
Libel: a. A written or oral defamatory statement or representation that
conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression. b. A statement or
representation published without just cause and tending to expose
another to public contempt. - Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary
(Tenth Edition)

If you want to take you ball and go home, that's OK with me.
Dick Durbin

Mudflap writes:

You guys that just like to argue without facts are right as usual
about everything in the universe.

Actually, we were trying to find out some of the facts, which were
woefully lacking from your posts.

Therefore :: I have came to the conclusion that since you don't ride
that road this is none of your business, sooooooooooo the subject is
closed from my end. You can raise your clueless arguments with
someone who cares about your uninformed opinions..

That's up to you.

By the way 14 complaints were called in but not a single one was
acted on. Case closed..

Case not closed, quite obviously. As another poster mentioned, you
really might want to make more of a point of thinking before you type.

Mudflap writes:

You guys that just like to argue without facts are right as usual
about everything in the universe.

Actually, we were trying to find out some of the facts, which were
woefully lacking from your posts.

Therefore :: I have came to the conclusion that since you don't ride
that road this is none of your business, sooooooooooo the subject is
closed from my end. You can raise your clueless arguments with
someone who cares about your uninformed opinions..

That's up to you.

By the way 14 complaints were called in but not a single one was
acted on. Case closed..

Case not closed, quite obviously. As another poster mentioned, you
really might want to make more of a point of thinking before you type.

"Mudflap" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Last Friday a bike rider was hit and killed by a pickup truck on a road
our club rides almost every week. Not many details are known yet but the
rider was a very experienced rider and rode often.
Here is a message from one of our club leaders. To me this is just
another senseless murder. I live in Prescott, AZ

************************

Most riders who have been in town for very long knew Steve Walters and
his love of cycling. As most of you now know, Steve was killed on a
morning bike ride on Williamson Valley Road Friday morning 10-29-04.
There will be a memorial service for him this Thursday evening
11-04-2004 at the old Sam Hill Warehouse that has access from both
Sheldon and Granite Streets back by the railroad trestle behind Granite
Creek Park. The service will be held at 7:00 p.m.

Steve's wife, Ann, lives in Mountain Club with their son, John. There
older son, Dan, attends college in New York. An account has been set up
in Ann Walter's name at the Stockman's Bank. All deposits to this
account will go toward Dan and John's education. There is a separate
fund at Prescott College in Steve Walters name. Steve was the Dean of
Adult Degree Programs there. These funds would be a great way to support
the family in lieu of flowers.


My condolences to the family of Mr. Walters.
Two things bother me in addition to the obvious sadness I feel that a
cyclist was killed.

Pick-up trucks don't run over cyclists. Drivers do. Whether careless or
malicious, a driver ran over Mr. Walters.
It bothers me how anonymous these drivers are allowed to be in reports.

It worries me that police do not treat cyclists equally. In many accidents,
the auto driver seems to go without any punishment when a cyclist is
involved. Were another motor vehicle involved in the same accident, the
driver at fault would receive a ticket or worse.
Police are paid to enforce the law. When they ignore laws giving us status
as legal vehicles, they are not doing their job.

"Mudflap" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Last Friday a bike rider was hit and killed by a pickup truck on a road
our club rides almost every week. Not many details are known yet but the
rider was a very experienced rider and rode often.
Here is a message from one of our club leaders. To me this is just
another senseless murder. I live in Prescott, AZ

************************

Most riders who have been in town for very long knew Steve Walters and
his love of cycling. As most of you now know, Steve was killed on a
morning bike ride on Williamson Valley Road Friday morning 10-29-04.
There will be a memorial service for him this Thursday evening
11-04-2004 at the old Sam Hill Warehouse that has access from both
Sheldon and Granite Streets back by the railroad trestle behind Granite
Creek Park. The service will be held at 7:00 p.m.

Steve's wife, Ann, lives in Mountain Club with their son, John. There
older son, Dan, attends college in New York. An account has been set up
in Ann Walter's name at the Stockman's Bank. All deposits to this
account will go toward Dan and John's education. There is a separate
fund at Prescott College in Steve Walters name. Steve was the Dean of
Adult Degree Programs there. These funds would be a great way to support
the family in lieu of flowers.


My condolences to the family of Mr. Walters.
Two things bother me in addition to the obvious sadness I feel that a
cyclist was killed.

Pick-up trucks don't run over cyclists. Drivers do. Whether careless or
malicious, a driver ran over Mr. Walters.
It bothers me how anonymous these drivers are allowed to be in reports.

It worries me that police do not treat cyclists equally. In many accidents,
the auto driver seems to go without any punishment when a cyclist is
involved. Were another motor vehicle involved in the same accident, the
driver at fault would receive a ticket or worse.
Police are paid to enforce the law. When they ignore laws giving us status
as legal vehicles, they are not doing their job.

"Frank Knox" writes:

Two things bother me in addition to the obvious sadness I feel that
a cyclist was killed.

Pick-up trucks don't run over cyclists. Drivers do. Whether
careless or malicious, a driver ran over Mr. Walters. It bothers me
how anonymous these drivers are allowed to be in reports.

Many newspapers will not report the name of an accused individual
until the person has been arrested or police announce they are looking
for an individual. The police often to not release the name of
someone they are looking for to try to avoid tipping off the suspect.

It worries me that police do not treat cyclists equally. In many
accidents, the auto driver seems to go without any punishment when a
cyclist is involved. Were another motor vehicle involved in the
same accident, the driver at fault would receive a ticket or worse.
Police are paid to enforce the law. When they ignore laws giving us
status as legal vehicles, they are not doing their job.

I think you had better be able to back this up with some facts.