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"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
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Mark Leuck wrote:
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Maybe you will. Chirstmas is coming. All joking aside, the NoCom
looks amazing! Still the position of the rider's legs as well as the
chain has me wondering how far one could turn the front wheel before
hitting one or the other. What do you know about that?

Jim, still near Reading, PA

I rode one a month ago, forget about turning the front wheel more than a
few
degrees. The NoCom is a nice looking but impractical bike, I'll stick
with
my Baron[.]

Standard or "low" Baron? The large amount of tiller is very noticeable
on the stock Optima Baron setup, but it still handles quite well at
lower speeds.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Standard, I find the tiller not noticeable however I also don't think it
handles well at lower speeds

Mark Leuck wrote:

Standard [Optima Baron], I find the tiller not noticeable...

Try riding a bike with linkage steering or minimal tiller for
comparison purposes.

however I also don't think it handles well at lower speeds[.]

Handling is relative - I have ridden some recumbents that I would not
want to ride in close proximity to other riders due to control issues
[1].

[1] The Optima Baron is not one of these [2].
[2] Gratuitous footnote for Ed Dolan.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Edward Dolan wrote:
...
In other words, a good bike for ideal riding conditions. However, in the
real world there hardly ever exist ideal riding conditions, most especially
not in urban areas. No thank you! I want a bike I can ride easily and
handily under any and all conditions. This includes really bad roads, sharp
turns, totally congested conditions where going slow is mandatory, ... the
list just goes on and on.

Reportedly, there is a practical lowracer out there if one is willing
to sacrifice some of the performance of the Velokraft NoCom [1]. This
practical lowracer is called the Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer. However,
I understand that some Sunset owners post about their bikes with
excessive frequency on Internet forums.

[1] Fastest Unfaired Bike in the Known Universe.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark Leuck wrote:

Standard [Optima Baron], I find the tiller not noticeable...

Try riding a bike with linkage steering or minimal tiller for
comparison purposes.

however I also don't think it handles well at lower speeds[.]

Handling is relative - I have ridden some recumbents that I would not
want to ride in close proximity to other riders due to control issues
[1].

[1] The Optima Baron is not one of these [2].
[2] Gratuitous footnote for Ed Dolan.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Yes! Yes! I knew all along that Mr. Sherman was posting his abominable
footnotes just to irritate me.

Scholars have persecuted me like forever with their abominable footnotes. As
much as I would like to ignore them, I find that I can't. I will follow a
footnote all the way to Hell and back. Many times in the past I have
actually spent much more time on footnotes than I ever did on the body of
the text. The general reader will not normally bother with footnotes, but my
training as a librarian has forever prevented me from enjoying that luxury.

I plead with Mr. Sherman to go easy on the footnotes. If he causes my early
demise from such shenanigans, I will have my estate bring suit against him
for harassment.

One other thing that bothers me out of all proportion to its true
significance is Mark Leuck's not putting periods at the end of his
sentences. I also know that he does this just to irritate me. I have
instructed him on this matter repeatedly, but he refuses to listen to my
sage counsel.

It is clear that my vast learning and wisdom are not appreciated here on
ARBR. I will have to dumb myself down in order to communicate better with
the denizens of ARBR.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
Fanatic']Jim Reilly who is still near Reading, PA )
wrote:
Maybe you will. Chirstmas is coming. All joking aside, the NoCom
looks amazing! Still the position of the rider's legs as well as
the
chain has me wondering how far one could turn the front wheel before
hitting one or the other. What do you know about that?

I have ridden a couple of lowracers that run the chain by the front
wheel (this is an option on the Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]).
Useable steering "lock" is rather limited in this arrangement. The two
situations where wheel/chain interference are generally an issue are
when starting out and when making tight turns. The former can be dealt
with by proper starting technique, i.e., have the bike vertical, in
the
proper gear, and the crank/pedals in an orientation that allows the
rider to generate the largest possible force on the pedal. The later
can be addressed by riding in a vehicular manner; i.e. not attempting
any maneuvers that one would not do in a motor vehicle. Negotiating
certain bike paths with sharps turns could be a problem, but this is
not the ideal environment for a bicycle like the Velokraft NoCom [1]
which begs to be ridden at higher speeds. At the 20+ mph (35+ kph)
speeds easily obtained on the NoCom, limited steering lock will not be
an issue.

[1] Until proven otherwise, the Velokraft NoCom is the fastest "Stock
Class" bicycle in the known universe.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

And the question is,what recumbent team won its category for the 2005
Race across America?
Second question for Tom, your universe or the one the rest of us live
in?


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nget

nget who? wrote:
...
And the question is,what recumbent team won its category for the 2005
Race across America?...

Apples and oranges. Put calibrated power measuring cranks/BB on a
properly setup NoCom and any highracer and see which is faster under
identical power outputs and conditions. Enough said.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:

Apples and oranges. Put calibrated power measuring cranks/BB on a
properly setup NoCom and any highracer and see which is faster under
identical power outputs and conditions. Enough said.

You can go for a suitably bumpy track where 26" or 700c wheels will have
significantly superior rolling characteristics to anything smaller. Of
course, some Real Roads fall into that category, so it's possible a Real
Race on Real Roads will not favour bespoke racing machinery like the NoCom.

My Streetmachine has left behind a carbon upright racer that is
/usually/ faster and has a fitter, better rider than me when we came
upon a really poor road and my suspension just soaked up all the warts
that the wedgie had to go up and down in each one's entirety. The NoCom
is named for no compromises to make it "practical" for "normal" riding,
but some of those compromises are genuinely useful on real roads,
especially when they're poor.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

jrei,

On the contrary, HRS strives to provide the most up to date, accurate
investigative research for all types of HIGHBIKES, Bitch Shidda,
Volae, Challenge, Flevo, etc.

Our commitment is to first and foremost, be the official source for
unbiased, truthful information.

You and the readership will ultimately decide what is pertinent for
your decisions.

Mojo - CEO

Tom,

Word is, you were sorely missed at a famous Midwestern Recumbent Party
this weekend. Event organizers apparantly lost your emai address.

Trust me, your position regarding recent discussions on this forum
were one of the topics amongst the partygoer's.

Should you have come, perhaps a NoCom would have been farfetched but
I'll guarantee you plenty of good company, food, and spirits.

BTW, would you please send me your current email address at our
customer service division?

Mojo - CEO

'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
Fanatic']nget who? wrote:
...
And the question is,what recumbent team won its category for the
2005
Race across America?...

Apples and oranges. Put calibrated power measuring cranks/BB on a
properly setup NoCom and any highracer and see which is faster under
identical power outputs and conditions. Enough said.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
Is this true, a no com with power assist? You'll never get away with
that at any race I know of.


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nget