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harv wrote:
Hey Earl, maybe you should get a viking helmets too. Then you might get some respect. Just don't wear a clock around your neck unless you're partial to huge blond women. ) yer bud, older fatter and slower, but much cuter, harv Harv, That helmet would go well with Earl's special cycling outfit (the one Barb and Wendy gave to him). -- Tom Sherman Feingold-Obama 2008 |
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(Sheldon Brown) wrote in message . com...
I'm not sure which part of the AOLers message Jeff thinks is "wrong" but I don't believe it is. The 9- and 10-speed sprockets are thinner in the middle, but there's no difference in the thickness of the teeth. OK, now I'm really confused, Sheldon. There's a chart on your page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_sp-ss.html that says Shimano 10-speed cogs are 1.6mm thick with a 2.35mm spacer between them. That same chart says that Shimano 9-speed cogs are 1.78mm thick with a 2.56mm spacer. This *implies* that the 10-speed chain is substantially narrower between the inner plates than a 9-speed chain, making it difficult or impossible to run a Shimano 10-speed chain on the OP's 9-speed XTR chainrings. What am I missing? Jeff |
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On 4 Nov 2004 21:28:32 -0800
(Jeff Wills) wrote: (Sheldon Brown) wrote in message . com... I'm not sure which part of the AOLers message Jeff thinks is "wrong" but I don't believe it is. The 9- and 10-speed sprockets are thinner in the middle, but there's no difference in the thickness of the teeth. OK, now I'm really confused, Sheldon. There's a chart on your page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_sp-ss.html that says Shimano 10-speed cogs are 1.6mm thick with a 2.35mm spacer between them. That same chart says that Shimano 9-speed cogs are 1.78mm thick with a 2.56mm spacer. This *implies* that the 10-speed chain is substantially narrower between the inner plates than a 9-speed chain, making it difficult or impossible to run a Shimano 10-speed chain on the OP's 9-speed XTR chainrings. What am I missing? My take on that is that he is referring to the size with regard to building up custom cassettes, and that the 10 speed cogs and spacers are just milled differently, but this could be made clearer. The concept here is that the interior dimensions of the links remain the same, but the outer edges of the chain obviously have to be slightly more streamlined to fit between the closer spaced but still the same tooth size cogs. Got me how they do it. I have noticed, for example, that SRAM PC-58 chain as compared to, say KMC Z-72 chain, seems to have a smoother profile, even though both chains are advertised as being for 8 speed cogs and as being HG and IG compatible, and both work quite acceptably on 8 speed configurations. I imagine there is more that can be done. Perhaps the plates are thinner and the pins slightly shorter? I imagine if you took a 10 speed chain and held it next to a 9 speed chain and an 8 speed chain from the same maker, the differences would become obvious, and that you could easily measure said differences with a $20 set of chinese digital calipers from harbor freight. I still question the need for more cogs than maybe 7 given the same lowest and highest cog, but to each his own. I'm happy with my 8 speed setup, especially considering how cheaply the parts go on ebay, now that it's been rendered entirely ghetto by the advent of 10 speed cogs. My brother-in-law rides an aluminum comfort bike with a single 34 tooth chain ring and a 7 speed 12-28 cassette in the back. Couldn't be happier and spent all of $98 on the thing. I went for a ride with him a few weeks ago and was afraid he might slow down so much I might have to drop into one of those gears where it becomes tricky to keep my swb 'bent vertical . . . |
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Quoth Jeff Wils:
OK, now I'm really confused, Sheldon. There's a chart on your page: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_sp-ss.html that says Shimano 10-speed cogs are 1.6mm thick with a 2.35mm spacer between them. That same chart says that Shimano 9-speed cogs are 1.78mm thick with a 2.56mm spacer. This *implies* that the 10-speed chain is substantially narrower between the inner plates than a 9-speed chain, making it difficult or impossible to run a Shimano 10-speed chain on the OP's 9-speed XTR chainrings. What am I missing? No, you _inferred_ that. My site has no specific info on the inner width of chains, this is not an easy thing to measure. In my experience they're all pretty much interchangeable. I only own one bike with a 10-speed cassette. That bike is using an 18-year old Sugino crank with Shimano Biopace chainrings, 52, 42 & 28 teeth. This crank and chainrings are from when 7-speed cassettes were the latest and greatest. They work fine with my 10-speed chain. Sheldon "3/32" Brown Newtonville, Massachusetts +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Always listen to the experts. | | They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. | | Then do it. --Robert A. Heinlein | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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Jeff Wills wrote:
... So, what kind of chain have you got there, Mr. Brown? 8-) Here are some of the chains that Mr. Brown has. http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/chains.html. -- Tom Sherman – Greater QCA |
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Tom Sherman wrote in message ...
Jeff Wills wrote: ... So, what kind of chain have you got there, Mr. Brown? 8-) Here are some of the chains that Mr. Brown has. http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/chains.html. Aw, geez... OK... Mr. Sheldon Brown, please tell us what kind of chain you have on the bicycle (trike?) that has the Biopace chainrings and 10-speed cassette. Cut me a slab of slack, Tom. 8-? Jeff |
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