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How hard is it to BUILD a touring bike?
Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back
to school full time Therefore money IS tight BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this summer I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not only for the reason that money is tight.... but that I'm wondering if I can build bike cheaper or if not cheaper that is better somehow. I know the frame is the heart and soul of a bike.... if I bought a GOOD frame could I populate it with low grade components for use this summer and upgrade when back to work? I was even thinking I could use components form a yard sale bike for now. advice? how to get a good bike but do it in fashion that makes sense given my financial constraints I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this summer.... besides just touring and for fun |
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On Apr 4, 6:18*pm, wrote:
Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back to school full time Therefore money IS tight BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this summer I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not only for the reason that money is tight.... but that I'm wondering if I can build *bike cheaper or if not cheaper that is better somehow. I know the frame is the heart and soul of a bike.... if I bought a GOOD frame could I populate it with low grade components for use this summer and upgrade when back to work? *I was even thinking I could use components form a yard sale bike for now. advice? *how to get a good bike but do it in *fashion that makes sense given my financial constraints I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this summer.... besides just touring and for fun What did you end up paying for the Randonee? $700? There's no way you'll build something better for cheaper. I'll whup out my spreadsheet with rough figures of the cheapest ballpark prices, and you'll see. Alternately, if you're in a good market, used can be an option. So lets say you shopped the bare bones sales: Nashbar frame 200 Sun/deore wheels 150 stem 15 bar 25 bb 10 headset 20 post 15 saddle 20 barend shifters 60 brake levers 25 brake cables 6 brake housing 10 bar tape 10 crank xd300 50 Platfor pedal 25 front mech 15 rear mech 25 tubes 10 rim strips 7 tires 30 brakes 30 So, going on $850 and you've not built the bike yet, and are using some lesser quality componentry than you get with a complete package. If you know what you want--build. I find it's usually cheaper to buy a whole bike and swap out a few bits--that's if you don't have a bucket of parts in the garage already. When you adjust for inflation--that Randonee (or the Surly, even) you got is about as cheap as a quality touring bike's gonna run. Prices will only go up as the dollar goes down. |
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What did you end up paying for the Randonee? $700? There's no way you'll build something better for cheaper. Ok what abt building something better then? IOW.... possible to buy a GOOD touring fame and put junk components on it for now so that I can upgrade later and have a REALLY good touring bike? also...another option for poor person like me maybe..... I have an old Ross MTB..actually pretty decent frame ..4130 chromoly frame. I bought it used from a friend for $25 who NEVER rode it. Looking at it.... I'm wondering if I could use this frame and buy some decent components and "make" a touring bike OUT of it. Again the goal is to not send a ton of money.....maybe less than $200 for parts? I'm just kicking around ideas..... I'm really second guessing the $700 for the Novara given my financial situation. If I could make a touring bike out of the Ross for $200... that gives me $500 for other gear I don't have but need...clothing, tent, bag, etc. |
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, landotter wrote: On Apr 4, 6:18*pm, wrote: Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back to school full time Therefore money IS tight BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this summer I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not only for the reason that money is tight.... but that I'm wondering if I can build *bike cheaper or if not cheaper that is better somehow. advice? *how to get a good bike but do it in *fashion that makes sense given my financial constraints I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this summer.... besides just touring and for fun What did you end up paying for the Randonee? $700? There's no way you'll build something better for cheaper. I'll whup out my spreadsheet with rough figures of the cheapest ballpark prices, and you'll see. Alternately, if you're in a good market, used can be an option. So lets say you shopped the bare bones sales: [...] So, going on $850 and you've not built the bike yet, Landotter is right, but both "me" and he skirt the most fundamental choice: cheap used bikes. Do you know what important technology has changed on touring bicycles in the last 20 years? None at all. The very best sources for old, cheap, touring-capable bikes are 1) garage sales/friends, 2) Craigslist, 3) used-bike shops etc. Note that eBay doesn't enter into this, because we're looking for a bike so cheap that the shipping costs would exceed the price. Also, availability depends entirely on chance and where you are. Finding early-80s touring/road bikes is easy in metropolitan areas or places with a strong bike culture or a lot of population. It's harder if you're in Montana. If you can hit a lot of garage sales and have a few weeks to acquire a bike, you've got a fighting chance. Downsides to buying used bikes: you have to know what you're looking for and at. You have to be a bit lucky. You are investing time instead of money into your search. You will not find one. You will find too many, and buy more than one. It will break. It will need TLC. It will have been better that you had just bought new. Not dissuaded? Good! Here's the key pointers to buying a touring bike as nice as the Miyata 210 I acquired for $20: -The only real, fundamental key to buying a used road (includes touring) bike is to get one with aluminum rims. If it has steel rims, the chances of being a decent bike in other ways is nearly zero. -the sweet-era is around the early-80s. These bikes include the tail end of the touring bike boom (look for cantis or standard-reach brakes) and the middle of the peak of Suntour. -Yes, Suntour. In the 5-6 speed era, Suntour drivetrains are the way to go. Shimano didn't technologically surpass them until indexed shifting (which depended on Suntour's patented slant-parallelogram design, and which wasn't released until the Suntour patent expired). -that's it. I don't know all the good brand names of the era, but Miyata is a company that produced excellent touring bikes, but whose cachet is not ridiculously high (unlike, say, finding an early Trek 520, or a few of the other names to conjure with). In general, I think the Japanese frame-makers offered the best value-for-dollar in this era, by mostly building first-rate bikes at cut-rate prices. -don't fear 27" bikes unless you have a wealth of 700c choices. These things are shunned for their odd wheel size, but that odd tire is still available at every bike shop on this continent, plus Wal-Mart. Also, the rims are readily available, and dirt-cheap. I needed a new rear 27" wheel after a bike crash, and the cost (with a sturdy rim) was $40, available next day. -at garage sales, start with the premise that no bike is worth more than $20. If the vendor is offering the bike for $100, offer $10 and see what happens. In the case of my Miyata, it was offered for $40 or so, until I pointed out that the freewheel was spilling its tiny bearings everywhere. This spectacular (but easily corrected) failure destroyed the vendor's bargaining position. -I have scavenged good bikes out of Spring Cleaning Week, paid $10 for a Japanese Bianchi, paid $3 for a 1970s Motobecane tourer (I'd sell the frame to you, but shipping...), and with the permission of a bike shop, picked a pristine Nishiki up that was leaning against their dumpster after the former owner failed to interest them in its purchase. Nishiki later sold to a very happy new owner for about $100. These stories are told for your inspiration, but keep in mind I'm pretty obsessed with bikes and garage sales, and these represent the peaks of about five years of scavenging. I'm happy if I pick up one really nice bike a year. Now that you've got the bike: -check and probably replace brakes and tires, because the rubber was bad from the start or is deteriorating. The chain will be fine, because the original owner rode the bike only three times. -the arguable weakness of these bikes is freewheel rear axles. Lightweights and light tourers never have problems, heavyweights and heavy tourers can. Chalo has some insight on how to fix the design, and swears by freewheel hubs and axles, but he does his own machining. For the rest of us, my proposal is that you ride it until it breaks (which may well be never) and then buy the cheapest freehub rear wheel you can. The cheapest ones are heavy and have lots of spokes, which is what you want anyways. In order to avoid upgrading your shifters to indexed, buy a 7-speed cassette ($16 at REI) and a 4.5 mm spacer for your 8-9-10 freehub rear wheel. Don't forget a new chain. -As it happens, the single slickest shifting upgrade for an old friction-shifting bike is a Hyperglide freewheel or cassette. Indexing is not necessary to take advantage of the smooth shifting of a 6- or 7-speed Hyperglide stack-o-cogs. Some of the Hyperglide clones are pretty good, too. Also, the Mega-7 freewheels offer so much range with their big MegaRange low gears that even a bike with only a double ring can become a half-competent tourer. Your hills and fitness may vary. I would budget $100-200 for this project, plus every weekend for a month. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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landotter wrote:
On Apr 4, 6:18 pm, wrote: Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back to school full time Therefore money IS tight BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this summer I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not only for the reason that money is tight.... but that I'm wondering if I can build bike cheaper or if not cheaper that is better somehow. I know the frame is the heart and soul of a bike.... if I bought a GOOD frame could I populate it with low grade components for use this summer and upgrade when back to work? I was even thinking I could use components form a yard sale bike for now. advice? how to get a good bike but do it in fashion that makes sense given my financial constraints I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this summer.... besides just touring and for fun What did you end up paying for the Randonee? $700? There's no way you'll build something better for cheaper. I'll whup out my spreadsheet with rough figures of the cheapest ballpark prices, and you'll see. Alternately, if you're in a good market, used can be an option. So lets say you shopped the bare bones sales: Nashbar frame 200 Sun/deore wheels 150 stem 15 bar 25 bb 10 headset 20 post 15 saddle 20 barend shifters 60 brake levers 25 brake cables 6 brake housing 10 bar tape 10 crank xd300 50 Platfor pedal 25 front mech 15 rear mech 25 tubes 10 rim strips 7 tires 30 brakes 30 So, going on $850 and you've not built the bike yet, and are using some lesser quality componentry than you get with a complete package. If you know what you want--build. I find it's usually cheaper to buy a whole bike and swap out a few bits--that's if you don't have a bucket of parts in the garage already. When you adjust for inflation--that Randonee (or the Surly, even) you got is about as cheap as a quality touring bike's gonna run. Prices will only go up as the dollar goes down. Landotter got it right. I've penciled this sort of project out many times - it's never cheaper to buy in parts. Do it only if the bike you want isn't available complete. The exception is if you have a source of dirt cheap (or free) used parts that make up a /major/ fraction of the parts list. Even then, make sure they are all inter-compatible (different frames require different spec. parts) before you commit your $. Mark J. |
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On Apr 4, 8:15*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
snip -As it happens, the single slickest shifting upgrade for an old friction-shifting bike is a Hyperglide freewheel or cassette. Indexing is not necessary to take advantage of the smooth shifting of a 6- or 7-speed Hyperglide stack-o-cogs. Some of the Hyperglide clones are pretty good, too. Also, the Mega-7 freewheels offer so much range with their big MegaRange low gears that even a bike with only a double ring can become a half-competent tourer. Your hills and fitness may vary. I would budget $100-200 for this project, plus every weekend for a month. Sure if ya got a starter bike, add a hundred bucks of bits and you're on the road. Rigid mtbs are even easier to source than touring bikes, which even in this city of a mill, are pretty rare to find cheap (at least in a 60cm). Take a $15 thriftstore Rockhopper, upgrade it to hyperglide for cheap, and add tires, trekking bars, and your choice of accessories--and you've got an expedition worthy touring bike. Got some square plastic buckets? Make your own panniers as well: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?...oc_id=1841&v=v |
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requires mechanical curiosity finding out what to replace. replace what wears out or gives problems. with what? MONEY! abt $4-500. like I wrote: new tubes, saddle mods, new saddle. racks. theres a rack site but ply over a good rack is best. test-EG load rack on new TT and slalom. does the rack snap? buy a Safari |
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