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Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
On 3/21/2018 12:20 PM, jbeattie wrote:
snip I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG. Bike Gallery was awesome the last time I visited them in around 1992. I do hate to get scalped on stuff like tubes. When a high quality tube that I can get for $3 ends up costing $10, that's painful. I try to keep a good stock of tubes in all the different sizes for my fleet. |
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On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote: On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: snip The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one online? Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier of bicycle equipment. But is sez "bike bottle" ... https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26 I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release. I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/ 30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look for that brand then. Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove. The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows. There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens. What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a 1mm variance. It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors! Support your LBS. I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His web site is, ahem, not quite there yet. Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd. People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence people. For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted and nothing will be readable. I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG. I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights and so on. And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery: 1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that? 2. |
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On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote: On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: snip The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one online? Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier of bicycle equipment. But is sez "bike bottle" ... https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26 I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release. I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/ 30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look for that brand then. Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove. The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows. There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens. What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a 1mm variance. It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors! Support your LBS. I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His web site is, ahem, not quite there yet. Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd. People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence people. For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted and nothing will be readable. I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG. I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights and so on. And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery: 1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that? 2. Ooops, too soon. 2. 28-32mm tube 48mm presta removable core (Bontrager): $7.50. Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 3/21/2018 2:08 PM, jbeattie wrote:
Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive. If only a shop could sell high quantities of high-margin low-priced stuff like tires and tubes. OTOH, perhaps a shop that decided to sell tubes at a lower price could get more people to come into the shop rather than stocking up on tubes from an on-line source or from going to Wal-Mart for them. |
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Bicycle bottle diameters, why different?
On 3/21/2018 2:47 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-03-21 08:14, Frank Krygowski wrote: Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology? I don't know but it usually is, by decades. But it just occurred to me: The bottle (or cup) holders in my car are not adjustable. Damn. I should have bought a different car. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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jbeattie writes:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote: On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: snip The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one online? Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier of bicycle equipment. But is sez "bike bottle" ... https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26 I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release. I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/ 30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look for that brand then. Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove. The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows. There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens. Wikipedia is a standards body? I didn't see any reference to an outside document. What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a 1mm variance. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors! Support your LBS. -- Jay Beattie. -- |
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Radey Shouman wrote:
Wikipedia is a standards body? I didn't see any reference to an outside document. Why not? Are we supposed to put more stock in people who first boast of their standards making the world better, then won't even reveal their standards free of charge when it is just a matter of duplicating a bunch of 0s and 1s on a web server? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 2018-03-21 13:33, sms wrote:
On 3/21/2018 12:20 PM, jbeattie wrote: snip I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG. Bike Gallery was awesome the last time I visited them in around 1992. I do hate to get scalped on stuff like tubes. When a high quality tube that I can get for $3 ends up costing $10, that's painful. I try to keep a good stock of tubes in all the different sizes for my fleet. I solved that problem years ago by buying tubes for around $15 each with 0.120" wall thickness for the road bike, 0.160" for the MTB, plus tire liner, plus another medium thickness tube into which the tire liner is slid on the MTB (to reduce chafing). This resulted in no more flats. I simply can't stand being inconvenienced by a flat. The only failures I had were, for example, sidewall blowouts on those #^%&@!! Gatorskins. Of course, one cannot typically find those tubes in a bike shop. They only carry the regular fare and the slime stuff, neither of which I found to be adequate. So they kind of force you onto the web where all this is easily obtainable. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-03-21 14:40, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2018 2:47 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 08:14, Frank Krygowski wrote: Why is bicycle technology always so far behind car technology? I don't know but it usually is, by decades. But it just occurred to me: The bottle (or cup) holders in my car are not adjustable. Damn. I should have bought a different car. For cars there is nearly always help: https://cars.statesman.com/stories/5...r-s-cup-holder Also, the industry does adhere to standards there. I couldn't believe it when I saw it but even the big gulp "cup" that a friend bought with coke in there at a gas station had a narrow extension at the bottom so it fit the cup holder in his truck. No idea where all that coke went but when we got to the trail head it was all gone. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 3/21/2018 4:08 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:30:10 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 12:20, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-21 08:49, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:51:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 17:48, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:44:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-20 15:54, sms wrote: On 3/20/2018 3:18 PM, Joerg wrote: snip The question is, how do you know if a bottle is proper when buying one online? Stansport is primarly a camping equipment company. Buy from a supplier of bicycle equipment. But is sez "bike bottle" ... https://www.stansport.com/bike-bottle-26-oz-214-26 I guess they need to learn and test their designs before release. I like the Clean Designs bottle https://www.cleanbottle.com/ 30 bucks, yikes. I like their bottom screw lid though. Thanks, will look for that brand then. Hmmmm. I wonder where you could buy a water bottle? https://tinyurl.com/y9zbb7fg I wrote that I have a source for fitting bottles, I could just buy more from Cal Gear because they fit like a glove. The reason for my post was to find out why there isn't a real standard. Like there is for wheel diameters, tires (well, maybe with the exception of some Contis). I guess nobody knows. There is a standard -- 73mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_cage You bought a ****ty water bottle from an outdoor equipment company that probably drew a bottle on the back of napkin, gave it to some OE plastic bottle manufacturer in PRC and then marketed the results as a bicycle water bottle. Its like complaining about Walmart bikes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle is radioactive and full of carcinogens. What's more surprising to me is that your cages cannot accommodate a 1mm variance. It's almost 2mm and as I wrote the indentation is also way off. You need better cages. You can also avoid the whole issue by going over to your lauded trail-end bike shop, Sam's Town Cyclery, and buying bottles that you know will fit. Fly the colors! Support your LBS. I will if his prices are reasonable and he has 25oz bottles. His web site is, ahem, not quite there yet. Who cares about price! The spread couldn't be more than a buck or two, and you want to support the shop. You get cool looking bottles with graphics that make you part of the Sam's Town Cyclery in-crowd. People will come up to you on the trail while you're petting horses and want to talk about Sam's Town. You'll make friends and influence people. For about 20-30 rides, then the bottle looks blackish and sand-blasted and nothing will be readable. I'm about to walk over to the Bike Gallery to buy a tube and some glue (flat on the way to work, old glue tube dried out and wrong size spare tube). I might just get the glue. Anyway, I'll get scalped, but for what -- a $1? They're nice guys and worked hard to coordinate the delivery of my Trek from Trek Co. Shout out to Justin. Anyway, I get endless free advice from them, and it does not pain me to pay a little more than internet bargain-basement prices for disposables. Yes, there is a point when it becomes highway robbery for a tube, but BG is not that kind of shop. You also have to look at it as an average. I've gotten some killer sale-table deals from BG. I don't mind either if it's a couple of buck more. Got to support the local guys which is why I bought my MTB locally for about $100 more versus online. What I do mind is if stuff costs 5x or more versus online. As is often the case with brake pads, caliper extenders, lights and so on. And then there is just getting screwed by everyone on price, i.e., things that used to be cheap are expensive everywhere. For example, at Bike Gallery: 1. 5g tube of Rema glue: $2.50. Crap! So, on line, $5.92 plus free shipping at Amazon. $2.95 at Tree Fort. http://www.treefortbikes.com/product...Gram-Tube.html $8.95 plus free shipping at Niagra. https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...id-5-gram-tube $3.99 at Universal across town. Incroyable! What is up with that? 2. Ooops, too soon. 2. 28-32mm tube 48mm presta removable core (Bontrager): $7.50. Ah Chihuahua! I used to get tubes for $.99 at Nashbar in bulk. Anyway, QBP version from Colorado Cyclist $7.95 $8 Bikewagon (QBP version). $6 for the Conti version over at Biketires Direct on sale: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...3858+3859+3860 Waaaah! I should have price matched! I always forget to price match. But assuming no price match, I was still in the ball park. These stupid little things have just gotten ridiculously expensive. Bicycle tube valves are no longer made from free machining brass[1] like other valves. The minuscule lead content posed a risk that your children[2] might eat a bunch of brass valves daily for years with possibly deleterious outcome[3]. Rubber cement and worse tubular cement fell under different regulation in, if I recall, 2015. Super duty rate and reporting regulations now. But hey it's for the children![4] [1]Notice new color mark on the side of the valve stem. [2]My daughter, heck even my grandsons, are smarter than that. Maybe. [3]No specific incident was ever cited in the regulation. [4]Scary words, yes? Justifies damn near anything nowadays. And yet I can't recall the last time I had to ride around piles of children's bodies: https://ourworldindata.org/wp-conten...since-1960.png -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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