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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa.
He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 8:03*am, f squared wrote:
Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ Thanks for showing us how far off the deep end you've gone. Your spam with my name on it does nothing to refute the facts on the following webpages where AT proponents were quoted in their own words, with fair use, properly cited quotations: http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../federici.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../feinberg.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/keck.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/thomas.html Here's another one from the page on Federici: "Total Adults Only. Isolation from any type of activity, friend or other sibling. Early bedtime, no talking to others, no television, play or any type of recreational activity. No hiding out in their room which is often preferred. Must stay in immediate sight and close proximity of parents or responsible adult at all times. Hard labor activities occupying any and all free time. Awakening early to begin work. Writing assignments or boring, repetitive tasks. Absolutely no stimulation. If parents must leave to go places, child must accompany them but not engage in any discussion or distraction. Again, Total Adults supervision, isolation and continual hard work is [sic] of paramount importance …" Ronald Federici — Help for the Hopeless Child (2003), p. 199 and then there's Liz Randolph, author of the RADQ, a bogus assessment tool that has no published evidence to support its reliability and validity that Becker-Weidman used in his study (just one of numerous flaws Jean Mercer and I critiqued). Here are some of Randolph's words: "Attachment therapy sessions usually last 2-3 hours … the therapist may speak loudly to children or yell at children to encourage the expression of those feelings. The therapist may simultaneously nurture children by stroking their hair or face … may occasionally kiss children … also tickle children … as a way of gaining access to and deepening feelings …" Elizabeth Randolph — Children Who Shock and Surprise (1999), p. 37 "If the child begins to struggle physically (which some children do when they discover that the therapist is in control), the therapist will hold onto the child’s outside hand or arm (the child’s inside arm is tucked behind the therapist’s back), and may ask someone else to hold onto the child’s legs so the child can’t kick the therapist." Elizabeth Randolph — Children Who Shock and Surprise (1999), p. 38 Again, did she or did she not write these things and did Arthur Becker- Weidman use her RADQ in his study or did he not? Hint: He did. Does the RADQ have any evidence published in reputable peer reviewed journals to support its reliability and validity? No it does not. It has no more evidence than the OCA. There's lot's more from Liz at http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html The question is, did they or did they not write these things? If they did, then it doesn't matter what Larry Sarner's past is, although thus far the only documentation you have provided is a 12 year old civil case. Even if you were to come up with evidence that Sarner was a convicted murderer doing time in prison, which of course is not true but even if it were, it would not change the facts that are reported above one iota. Did Federici, Randolph, Feinberg, Keck, Thomas, and others write what they wrote or didn't they? That is the issue you evade with your lame invocation of logical fallacy. Monica |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 2:03*pm, f squared wrote:
Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 11:58*am, Eldon wrote:
On Jul 11, 2:03*pm, f squared wrote: And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? Yes, you certainly did "mess something along the way" -- a great deal. WTF does whether Jean Mercer is a clinical psychologist have to do with the above URLs or the babbling you post here. It doesn't take a psychologist to see the damage being done by the therapies she has exposed and criticized. Jean has her PhD in developmental psychology (a discipline that does not have licensure) and has far more knowledge in this area than most clinical psychologists do. One doesn't have to be a practicing psychologist to see the obvious harm being done by the methods recommended in the links I gave so your obsession with Mercer is nothing more than ad hominem that evades the real issue, which is child torture in the name of the "therapy" you defend. http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../federici.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../feinberg.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/keck.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/thomas.html But if you want to obsess about the license issue, Liz Randolph lost her license to practice psychology back in 1996 and Nancy Thomas never had one to begin with and neither of them have anything even close to Jean Mercer's credentials. Feinberg has also repeatedly been in trouble with his state board. |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
Eldon wrote:
On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, f squared wrote: Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? Jean Mercer doesn't practice clinical psychology. Yet the cyberstalking kook expects people to believe that her lack of an irrelevant license somehow invalidates her criticism of the abusive pseudoscientific "therapies" promoted and/or practiced by people such as Ronald S. Federici, Elizabeth M. Randolph, Neil I. Feinberg, Gregory C. Keck, and Nancy L. Thomas and described on web pages such as these: http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../federici.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../randolph.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro.../feinberg.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/keck.html http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/thomas.html There's no accounting for kooks. BTW, if you actually did spend any time investigating the kook's posting history (not sure if you really were doing so or if you were just having fun twisting the kook's tail), you will have noticed that the kook might be either a certain international adoption consultant coughRonald S. Federici/cough or one of his close collaborators/supporters. The first link in my sig certainly points in that direction, but there is other, more amusing, evidence as well. Like several long-timers here, I have things set up so I can datamine the news feed for ars quite painlessly. In particular, I can - and sometimes do - correlate ip addresses, net blocks, and other header information such as google account hashes from the last few years' worth of posts. When I crunched the cyberstalking kook's google account hashes, there were a couple of noteworthy bits of data that emerged. Some might find it interesting that most of the cyberstalking kook's posts came through the same tor and other proxies that are also used by a particular prolific contributor to ars. The specific proxies' appearances on ars are almost exclusively limited to the cyberstalking kook and BS. Otherwise, there are fewer than a dozen posts through any of the kook's ip addresses. (note to Barbara if you happen to read this post: I know you have nothing to do with the cyberstalking kook and I understand that you do not use proxies to conceal your identity.) I was especially amused to note that the cyberstalking kook is not only cyberstalking and kooky, but he is also *stupid* when it comes to understanding the medium he is flooding with his spam. He made five posts to ars *before* he discovered proxies (snicker). All of those came from DC/VA ip addresses. By some strange coincidence, it happens that a certain international adoption consultant coughRonald S. Federici/cough is based in VA. If you wish to taunt^w present the cyberstalking kook with that evidence of its ineptitude, I can post the details of the ip addresses. I do hope that we haven't damaged the chew toy with excessive play. Post-only spammers like the circle-jerkers are no fun at all. I hope the cyberstalking kook gets interactive again. If I'm *really* lucky he'll decide to "discredit" me, too. John -- Why is the coughanonymous/cough cyberstalker posting as (http://tinyurl.com/mlopgl) (http://tinyurl.com/ntx742) (http://tinyurl.com/n4aj72) (http://tinyurl.com/lutsrq) (http://tinyurl.com/l8pvqz) (http://tinyurl.com/l3ej9v) (http://tinyurl.com/n44r8v) (http://tinyurl.com/ntofx6) (http://tinyurl.com/ne9on4) (http://tinyurl.com/lvhcsk) (http://tinyurl.com/mxmzs7) (http://tinyurl.com/l9aqmp) (http://tinyurl.com/ncdf5t) (http://tinyurl.com/ll799u) trying so hard to discredit Monica Pignotti and other critics of the abusive "treatment" called "Attachment Therapy"? Why doesn't he direct people to the American Psychological Association Division 37 Task Force position paper at http://www.apa.org/divisions/div37/R...Manuscript.pdf instead? |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 11:58*am, Eldon wrote:
On Jul 11, 2:03*pm, f squared wrote: Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? Sorry, I meant t respond to "F-squared", not you, Eldon. I responded to the wrong posting -- sorry. |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 7:28*pm, Monica Pignotti wrote:
On Jul 11, 11:58*am, Eldon wrote: On Jul 11, 2:03*pm, f squared wrote: Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? Sorry, I meant t respond to "F-squared", not you, Eldon. I responded to the wrong posting -- sorry. Oh, no problem. I can see how this weirdness might disorient someone. It's quite bizarre. Also, see my recent review of Federici's book on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Help-Hopeless-...7336220&sr=8-1 1.0 out of 5 stars Read the other side of the story, July 10, 2009 By Eldon Braun "EldonB" (Paris, France) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) Just put [Ronald Federici quack] into your favorite search engine and see what pops up. His methods are not only controversial, but he has made desperate efforts to censor legitimate criticism. See also: Attachment Therapy on Trial: The Torture and Death of Candace Newmaker (Child Psychology and Mental Health) [that is a link to the book] |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:28:12 -0400, John Dorsay
wrote: If you wish to taunt^w present the cyberstalking kook with that evidence of its ineptitude, I can post the details of the ip addresses. Sure. I love geeking out on **** like that, and it might provoke the cyberstalking kook into even more entertaining spasms of idiocy. |
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Monica Pignotti: Y KANT JEAN B LISENSED?
On Jul 11, 7:28*pm, John Dorsay wrote:
Eldon wrote: On Jul 11, 2:03 pm, f squared wrote: Saifee Durbar has a vision for Africa. He plans to build a railway linking Africa’s west coast (Cameroon) with the east coast (Sudan). The railroad will go through the Central African Republic. The minerals there will be used to build part of the railroad-the beginning of the long road to self sufficiency! Saif Durbar has worked it all out, and intends to do it in such a way as to improve the situation in Darfur as much as possible. For more information… http://saifdurbar.wordpress.com/ http://saifeedurbar.wordpress.com/ And WTF does this have to do with Jean Mercer getting a license to practice clinical psychology? Or did I mess something along the way? Jean Mercer doesn't practice clinical psychology. *Yet the cyberstalking kook expects people to believe that her lack of an irrelevant license somehow invalidates her criticism of the abusive *pseudoscientific "therapies" promoted and/or practiced by people such as Ronald S. Federici, Elizabeth M. Randolph, Neil I. Feinberg, Gregory C. Keck, and Nancy L. Thomas and described on web pages such as these: http://www.childrenintherapy.org/pro...ts/thomas.html There's no accounting for kooks. BTW, if you actually did spend any time investigating the kook's posting history (not sure if you really were doing so or if you were just having fun twisting the kook's tail), you will have noticed that the kook might be either a certain international adoption consultant coughRonald S. Federici/cough or one of his close collaborators/supporters. The first link in my sig certainly points in that direction, but there is other, more amusing, evidence as well. Like several long-timers here, I have things set up so I can datamine the news feed for ars quite painlessly. *In particular, I can - and sometimes do - correlate ip addresses, net blocks, and other header information such as google account hashes from the last few years' worth of posts. When I crunched the cyberstalking kook's google account hashes, there were a couple of noteworthy bits of data that emerged. Some might find it interesting that most of the cyberstalking kook's *posts came through the same tor and other proxies that are also used by a *particular prolific contributor to ars. *The specific proxies' appearances on ars are almost exclusively limited to the cyberstalking kook and BS. *Otherwise, there are fewer than a dozen posts through any of the kook's ip addresses. (note to Barbara if you happen to read this post: *I know you have nothing to do with the cyberstalking kook and I understand that you do not use proxies to conceal your identity.) I was especially amused to note that the cyberstalking kook is not only cyberstalking and kooky, but he is also *stupid* when it comes to understanding the medium he is flooding with his spam. *He made five posts to ars *before* he discovered proxies (snicker). *All of those came from DC/VA ip addresses. *By some strange coincidence, it happens that a certain international adoption consultant coughRonald S. Federici/cough is based in VA. If you wish to taunt^w present the cyberstalking kook with that evidence of its ineptitude, I can post the details of the ip addresses. Oh yes, please do that. I don't have the patience for these espionage games, but I sure admire those who do. Hey, maybe you, Moniica and I should just tackle Dr. Federici and mash him into the floor, screaming abuse at him until he either confesses or suffocates. What sort of therapy do you think we should call it? I do hope that we haven't damaged the chew toy with excessive play. *Post-only spammers like the circle-jerkers are no fun at all. *I hope the cyberstalking kook gets interactive again. *If I'm *really* lucky he'll decide to "discredit" me, too. John -- Why is the coughanonymous/cough cyberstalker posting as (http://tinyurl.com/mlopgl) (http://tinyurl.com/ntx742) (http://tinyurl.com/n4aj72) (http://tinyurl.com/lutsrq) (http://tinyurl.com/l8pvqz) (http://tinyurl.com/l3ej9v) (http://tinyurl.com/n44r8v) (http://tinyurl.com/ntofx6) (http://tinyurl.com/ne9on4) (http://tinyurl.com/lvhcsk) (http://tinyurl.com/mxmzs7) (http://tinyurl.com/l9aqmp) (http://tinyurl.com/ncdf5t) (http://tinyurl.com/ll799u) trying so hard to discredit Monica Pignotti and other critics of the abusive "treatment" called "Attachment Therapy"? Why doesn't he direct people to the American Psychological Association Division 37 Task Force position paper athttp://www.apa.org/divisions/div37/RADTaskForceManuscript.pdf instead? |
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