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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
Hello,
I am interested in buying a new street/road/racing bicycle. I looked around some of the local shops in my area (louisville) and test road a couple as well. At the first shop, which is about 2 miles to my house, I test rode a Felt z70. The sales man said he was going to give it to me @ $1050. At the second shop, which is about 10 miles from my house, I looked at two bycicles though, I test rode only one.. they are Trek 1600 priced at $1000 and Trek 2.1 priced $1150. I like the Trek1600 as well as the Felt z70. I wanted to know how the brands compare against each other and which one would be a better purchase or should I pay slightly higher and get a better one. I do not want to go over the $1000 mark by too much. My primary reason is to enjoy the bike (casual riding in the evenings) and commute to work which is about 10 miles away. My heart is set on a racing bicycle .. and must admit that I am very excited about this purchase. I want to make the better investment here. Which is the newer/better model, reliable, better parts used is what I would like to know. I appreciate (and am looking forward to) your comments. :-) Thank you. Zee. |
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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
On May 13, 8:46 am, wrote:
Hello, Felt z70. Trek 1600 priced Trek 2.1 Surly Crosscheck? Before you buy, you might want to also look at, test ride, a Surly Crosscheck. There should be a couple of dealers in Louisville. You can leave it completely stripped for the go-fast mode... Ten miles is a sweet spot commute. Not too long and not too short. But I'm not sure I'd want to be locked into really narrow racing rubber. Been there before. As your commuting experience evolves, you might wish for additional clearance in the stay/fork areas. This allows for fine tuning the ride. That's problematic on full bore racing units. |
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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
Will wrote:
On May 13, 8:46 am, wrote: Hello, Felt z70. Trek 1600 priced Trek 2.1 Surly Crosscheck? Before you buy, you might want to also look at, test ride, a Surly Crosscheck. There should be a couple of dealers in Louisville. You can leave it completely stripped for the go-fast mode... Ten miles is a sweet spot commute. Not too long and not too short. But I'm not sure I'd want to be locked into really narrow racing rubber. Been there before. As your commuting experience evolves, you might wish for additional clearance in the stay/fork areas. This allows for fine tuning the ride. That's problematic on full bore racing units. That's good advice. The Surly Crosscheck Complete has several very big advantages over the Treks and the Felt. 1. 4130 CroMoly versus aluminum 2. Non-compact frame (the 1600 appears to also have a non-compact frame, but the 2.1 and the z70 have compact frames 3. More versatile. With the rims on the Crosscheck you can put on some 700x23 tires for a "racing bike" for centuries or long road rides or use the 700x32 tires for commuting or leisurely rides. However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a triple crankset. That's probably $300 extra once you change the derailleurs, crankset, and spindle. For that reason I'd get the Long Haul Trucker instead, however it's nearly impossible to buy one because the waiting list is so long. Also, about the narrowest tire you can go to on the LHT is 25mm, with the wider Adventurer rims. Of the three original choices, I'd get the Trek 1600. $1000 is a good price, that's usually the end-of-the-year closeout price around here. Is this for the latest model, or last years model (not that it matters)? I know that QBP is trying to keep the number of "complete bike" Surly's down to a manageable level, but offering a Crosscheck Complete Triple would be a welcome addition. |
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On May 13, 12:19*pm, SMS wrote:
Will wrote: On May 13, 8:46 am, wrote: Hello, Felt z70. Trek 1600 priced Trek 2.1 Surly Crosscheck? Before you buy, you might want to also look at, test ride, a Surly Crosscheck. There should be a couple of dealers in Louisville. You can leave it completely stripped for the go-fast mode... Ten miles is a sweet spot commute. Not too long and not too short. But I'm not sure I'd want to be locked into really narrow racing rubber. Been there before. As your commuting experience evolves, you might wish for additional clearance in the stay/fork areas. This allows for fine tuning the ride. That's problematic on full bore racing units. That's good advice. The Surly Crosscheck Complete has several very big advantages over the Treks and the Felt. 1. 4130 CroMoly versus aluminum 2. Non-compact frame (the 1600 appears to also have a non-compact frame, but the 2.1 and the z70 have compact frames 3. More versatile. With the rims on the Crosscheck you can put on some 700x23 tires for a "racing bike" for centuries or long road rides or use the 700x32 tires for commuting or leisurely rides. However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a triple crankset. That's probably $300 extra once you change the derailleurs, crankset, and spindle. For that reason I'd get the Long Haul Trucker instead, however it's nearly impossible to buy one because the waiting list is so long. Also, about the narrowest tire you can go to on the LHT is 25mm, with the wider Adventurer rims. Of the three original choices, I'd get the Trek 1600. $1000 is a good price, that's usually the end-of-the-year closeout price around here. Is this for the latest model, or last years model (not that it matters)? I know that QBP is trying to keep the number of "complete bike" Surly's down to a manageable level, but offering a Crosscheck Complete Triple would be a welcome addition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Will and SMS, Thank you for your comments. I will look around for the Surly Crosscheck before I make the purchase (i am getting itchy fingers though :-)). I think the Trek 1600 was last years model. |
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| That's good advice. The Surly Crosscheck Complete has several very big
| advantages over the Treks and the Felt. | | 1. 4130 CroMoly versus aluminum This is an advantage because? | 2. Non-compact frame (the 1600 appears to also have a non-compact frame, | but the 2.1 and the z70 have compact frames Have you looked at a 2.1 or a Pilot-series Trek? They're not "compact" in the sense most people think. It's a traditional frame that slopes *UP* to the front, allowing the bars to be 3cm higher than a "traditional" flat top tube bike. And given that they come in umpteen-different sizes, it's not as if they're doing something to simplify stock at the expense of fit. | 3. More versatile. With the rims on the Crosscheck you can put on some | 700x23 tires for a "racing bike" for centuries or long road rides or use | the 700x32 tires for commuting or leisurely rides. True. If you need 32c tires, a Crosscheck is the better bet. If 28c will do, the 1600 or 2.1 will do fine. | However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a | triple crankset. That's probably $300 extra once you change the | derailleurs, crankset, and spindle. For that reason I'd get the Long | Haul Trucker instead, however it's nearly impossible to buy one because | the waiting list is so long. Also, about the narrowest tire you can go | to on the LHT is 25mm, with the wider Adventurer rims. | | Of the three original choices, I'd get the Trek 1600. $1000 is a good | price, that's usually the end-of-the-year closeout price around here. Is | this for the latest model, or last years model (not that it matters)? The 1600 is an '07; it doesn't exist in the '08 line. Trek went to upward-sloping tubes for virtually all models below $3k, and even above that, you have a choice. Higher handlebar positions are becoming in style these days (they were always more practical for many, but "style" kept people from wanting to ride that way... thankfully, "style" is subject to change, and for the time being, change for the better). | I know that QBP is trying to keep the number of "complete bike" Surly's | down to a manageable level, but offering a Crosscheck Complete Triple | would be a welcome addition. Agreed. But there's this thing about bicycle product managers. They tend to design bikes for themselves, and someone designing a cross bike is going to put a double on it becuase real 'cross riders wouldn't be seen with a triple. Sigh. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "SMS" wrote in message ... | Will wrote: | On May 13, 8:46 am, wrote: | Hello, | | Felt z70. | Trek 1600 priced | Trek 2.1 | | Surly Crosscheck? | | Before you buy, you might want to also look at, test ride, a Surly | Crosscheck. There should be a couple of dealers in Louisville. You can | leave it completely stripped for the go-fast mode... Ten miles is a | sweet spot commute. Not too long and not too short. But I'm not sure | I'd want to be locked into really narrow racing rubber. Been there | before. As your commuting experience evolves, you might wish for | additional clearance in the stay/fork areas. This allows for fine | tuning the ride. That's problematic on full bore racing units. | | That's good advice. The Surly Crosscheck Complete has several very big | advantages over the Treks and the Felt. | | 1. 4130 CroMoly versus aluminum | | 2. Non-compact frame (the 1600 appears to also have a non-compact frame, | but the 2.1 and the z70 have compact frames | | 3. More versatile. With the rims on the Crosscheck you can put on some | 700x23 tires for a "racing bike" for centuries or long road rides or use | the 700x32 tires for commuting or leisurely rides. | | However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a | triple crankset. That's probably $300 extra once you change the | derailleurs, crankset, and spindle. For that reason I'd get the Long | Haul Trucker instead, however it's nearly impossible to buy one because | the waiting list is so long. Also, about the narrowest tire you can go | to on the LHT is 25mm, with the wider Adventurer rims. | | Of the three original choices, I'd get the Trek 1600. $1000 is a good | price, that's usually the end-of-the-year closeout price around here. Is | this for the latest model, or last years model (not that it matters)? | | I know that QBP is trying to keep the number of "complete bike" Surly's | down to a manageable level, but offering a Crosscheck Complete Triple | would be a welcome addition. |
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On May 13, 11:19 am, SMS wrote:
However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a triple crankset. I had to laugh here. One of the things I was going to grouse about was the triple. I mean... how often do you drop to the little ring? I'll stand on the peddles first... and I am a dedicated spinner. But to have the triple, you carry around that extra half pound. Might as well have bullet proof 32's on the rims (or heaven forbid.... fenders) It seems to me, if you're testing go-fasts, you've either got legs... or plan to get them. |
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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
Will wrote:
On May 13, 11:19 am, SMS wrote: However the disadvantage of the CrossCheck Complete is that it lacks a triple crankset. I had to laugh here. One of the things I was going to grouse about was the triple. I mean... how often do you drop to the little ring? Me personally? I'll stand on the peddles first... No such thing as peddles. It seems to me, if you're testing go-fasts, you've either got legs... or plan to get them. Perhaps, though there are many roads around my area where I suspect that all but strongest riders would welcome a triple. |
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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
| That's good advice. The Surly Crosscheck Complete has several very big | advantages over the Treks and the Felt. | | 1. 4130 CroMoly versus aluminum This is an advantage because? You are well aware of the advantages. | 2. Non-compact frame (the 1600 appears to also have a non-compact frame, | but the 2.1 and the z70 have compact frames Have you looked at a 2.1 or a Pilot-series Trek? They're not "compact" in the sense most people think. It's a traditional frame that slopes *UP* to the front, allowing the bars to be 3cm higher than a "traditional" flat top tube bike. And given that they come in umpteen-different sizes, it's not as if they're doing something to simplify stock at the expense of fit. Yes this is true. | 3. More versatile. With the rims on the Crosscheck you can put on some | 700x23 tires for a "racing bike" for centuries or long road rides or use | the 700x32 tires for commuting or leisurely rides. True. If you need 32c tires, a Crosscheck is the better bet. If 28c will do, the 1600 or 2.1 will do fine. | Of the three original choices, I'd get the Trek 1600. $1000 is a good | price, that's usually the end-of-the-year closeout price around here. Is | this for the latest model, or last years model (not that it matters)? The 1600 is an '07; it doesn't exist in the '08 line. Trek went to upward-sloping tubes for virtually all models below $3k That's too bad. Higher handlebar positions are becoming in style these days (they were always more practical for many, but "style" kept people from wanting to ride that way... thankfully, "style" is subject to change, and for the time being, change for the better). IYO. |
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need advice on: Trek 1600 or Felt z70?
On May 13, 2:00 pm, SMS wrote:
No such thing as peddles. Time to sell the Google stock. The spell checker missed it. Both times. I guess there is something called a "peddles". Maybe it's a verb. As for the little ring... I can see it for loaded touring. But on bikes with carbon forks and carbon seat stays??? That's design confusion... (or maybe the Marketing V.P. got his way). |
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