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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on
ebay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. From the description: This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books on hand. The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught up to this book. Harry Travis |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
Harry Travis wrote:
I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on eBay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. So does "the Bicycle Wheel". There was no ".tech" at that time. It was all "wreck.bike" one big unhappy family. From the description: This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books on hand. What other Friends do you have besides "friend of mine", or is that merely the long form of "friend"? The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught up to this book. I don't know who composed that paragraph, but "the Bicycle Wheel" is entirely engineering in the first part so that readers will understand how wire spoked wheels work and fail, whole the second part is a failsafe, step-by-step guide, with diagrams, on how to lace wheels of various number of spokes and cross patterns. There being no other attributions, I take it this is your "trying harder" to make the book seem like a ground breaker, which it is not. "the Bicycle Wheel" was first after many imitators popped up. Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding" was the last: http://tinyurl.com/58ksmf The title is appropriate because it treats the aesthetic part of it well while not dispelling ancient lore. It no analyses or stress computations, something that is not necessary for wheelbuilding but helps one understand "Why" various methods work and the causes spoke and wheel failure. Jobst Brandt |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
Harry Travis wrote:
I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on eBay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. So does "the Bicycle Wheel". There was no ".tech" at that time. It was all "wreck.bike" one big unhappy family. From the description: This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books on hand. What other Friends do you have besides "friend of mine", or is that merely the long form of "friend"? The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught up to this book. I don't know who composed that paragraph, but "the Bicycle Wheel" is entirely engineering in the first part so that readers will understand how wire spoked wheels work and fail, while the second part is a failsafe, step-by-step guide, with diagrams, on how to lace wheels of various number of spokes and cross patterns. There being no other attributions, I take it this is your "trying harder" to make the book seem like a ground breaker, which it is not. "the Bicycle Wheel" was first after many imitators popped up. Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding" was the last: http://tinyurl.com/58ksmf The title is appropriate because it treats the aesthetic part of it well while not dispelling ancient lore. It no analyses or stress computations, something that is not necessary for wheelbuilding but helps one understand "Why" various methods work and the causes spoke and wheel failure. Jobst Brandt |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
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wrote: I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on ebay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. From the description: This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books on hand. The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught up to this book. Harry Travis Dear Harry, We're squabbling in another thread, but thanks for starting this one--I can't resist books. There are four left. :-) As payment, here are your calculations: 650 watts bike + seconds_to seconds_to rider 10_meters 5_meters 75.0 kg 2.4 1.5 71.8 kg 2.3 1.5 http://www.analyticcycling.com/DiffE...n500_Page.html There is never any "jump" for the lighter bike, no matter how short the distance or time, because the same force is used to accelerate two masses that differ by only ~4%. That ~4% is the maximum difference for their acceleration. The equation is Acceleration = Force / Mass http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSC...aws/u2l3a.html Change the mass by 4%, and you change the acceleration 4%. That's in a frictionless world. As wind drag, tire drag, and transmission losses rise further down the sprint track, the acceleration differences dwindle from that 4%. What keeps fooling people is their belief that if one bike weighs 50% more than the other (50%!), then it _must_ go like a bat out of hell and accelerate with a noticeably robust thrust. If you tip the bikes to the side, you can _feel_ the difference, no question about it. But the total mass is what matters, and it's something like 182 versus 175 lbs. The rider is roughly ten times as important in terms of mass as the bike. Put a 161 lb dummy on the two bikes and tip them to the side--now the difference is only 7/182, ~4%, not 50%. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
wrote in message ... | Harry Travis wrote: | | I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on | eBay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken | claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not | trying hard enough. | | So does "the Bicycle Wheel". There was no ".tech" at that time. It | was all "wreck.bike" one big unhappy family. | | From the description: | | This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by | Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, | inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a | good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books | on hand. | | What other Friends do you have besides "friend of mine", or is that | merely the long form of "friend"? | | The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is | the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, | and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions | to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes | all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it | was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught | up to this book. | | I don't know who composed that paragraph, but "the Bicycle Wheel" is | entirely engineering in the first part so that readers will understand | how wire spoked wheels work and fail, whole the second part is a | failsafe, step-by-step guide, with diagrams, on how to lace wheels of | various number of spokes and cross patterns. | | There being no other attributions, I take it this is your "trying | harder" to make the book seem like a ground breaker, which it is not. | "the Bicycle Wheel" was first after many imitators popped up. Gerd | Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding" was the last: | | http://tinyurl.com/58ksmf | | The title is appropriate because it treats the aesthetic part of it | well while not dispelling ancient lore. It no analyses or stress | computations, something that is not necessary for wheelbuilding but | helps one understand "Why" various methods work and the causes spoke | and wheel failure. | | Jobst Brandt Hi Jobst, What is the current best bicycle repair manual? Years ago I had a copy of Glenns Complete bicycle manual. It was very concise, and had laced up a few rims with it. I know its dated, but is there anything better? Thanks |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
Martin Riddle wrote:
What is the current best bicycle repair manual? I don't know, not being one to use a manual to maintain a bicycle, the concepts having been obvious beginning with my first bicycles in grade school. As I see it, there are people with a natural affinity for machinery and they don't find maintenance a mechanical mystery. I was maintaining my parents 1931 Ford in those days as well. Years ago I had a copy of Glenns Complete bicycle manual. It was very concise, and had laced up a few rims with it. I know its dated, but is there anything better? I think the concepts presented in "the Bicycle Wheel" are typical of my appreciation of mechanical objects, so I wrote it to assist others for whom these things are less apparent. That is why it starts with the technical aspects of how tensioned wire wheels work and how they fail, before explaining how to put one together. Jobst Brandt |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
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SMS wrote: wrote: I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on ebay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. Avoid it at all costs. Why? I've never heard of this book before, so I have no sense of the contents of the book. |
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"The Spoking Word" by Leonard Goldberg
wrote in message ... On 04 Jul 2008 04:01:11 GMT, wrote: Harry Travis wrote: I'm not shilling for this book. I'm inquiring about it, for sale on eBay. And I'm not dissing Jobst by repeating what may be mistaken claims, below. It antedates the archive of this group. Or, I'm not trying hard enough. So does "the Bicycle Wheel". There was no ".tech" at that time. It was all "wreck.bike" one big unhappy family. From the description: This book was written and self published during the early 1980s by Leonard Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, bicycle shop owner, inventor, composer and an altogether remarkable man. Leonard is a good friend of mine, which is how I happen to have some of his books on hand. What other Friends do you have besides "friend of mine", or is that merely the long form of "friend"? The Spoking Word is unique among wheel building books because it is the only such book that treats the subject as an engineering problem, and it is the only book which examines a variety of creative solutions to the problem of designing wheels with engineering rigor. It makes all other books on wheelbuilding appear superficial, and although it was printed over 20 years ago, the bicycle industry has not yet caught up to this book. I don't know who composed that paragraph, but "the Bicycle Wheel" is entirely engineering in the first part so that readers will understand how wire spoked wheels work and fail, while the second part is a failsafe, step-by-step guide, with diagrams, on how to lace wheels of various number of spokes and cross patterns. There being no other attributions, I take it this is your "trying harder" to make the book seem like a ground breaker, which it is not. "the Bicycle Wheel" was first after many imitators popped up. Gerd Schraner's "The Art of Wheelbuilding" was the last: http://tinyurl.com/58ksmf The title is appropriate because it treats the aesthetic part of it well while not dispelling ancient lore. It no analyses or stress computations, something that is not necessary for wheelbuilding but helps one understand "Why" various methods work and the causes spoke and wheel failure. Jobst Brandt Dear Jobst, Best of all, a single copy of "The Bicycle Wheel" is available on eBay, starting at $0.99 plus $4.99 shipping and handling--a steal if some lucky RBT poster is the only bidder. Bidders who care can email and ask if it's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd edition: http://cgi.ebay.com/the-Bicycle-Whee...phot ohosting It will interesting to see how high the bidding goes. Will it match the $15.58 that I paid to get "The Spoking Word"? At www.bookfinder.com, I see a used 1993 copy at $18.99, including shipping, while new 3rd edition copies are $28.98 including shipping from Amazon. Cheers, Carl Fogel Carl, It sounds like you may have read both "The Spoking Word" and "The Bicycle Wheel". Do you have any comparisons you can share? I have a copy of "The Bicycle Wheel" and think that it is very well done. Would I gain from having a copy of "The Spoking Word" as well? Thanks, Kerry |
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