knee warmers?

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:55:42 -0800 (PST), patrick
wrote:

anybody have a favorite knee warmer (brand)? 57 and a couple knee ops
to the right knee seem to have made it a bit cranky (actually less
cranky) due to lower temps. Suggestions? Be nice.... Pat

I go with the house-brand polypro for knee warmers. Thing is, when it
gets much below 45 F, I want more coverage top and bottom, so I'll go
to tights.

Pat

Email address works as is.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:35:32 -0800, "Bill Sornson"
wrote:

Have you tried a strap? I have one of those "Cho-Pat" things, as well as a
drug-store band with Velcro, and both really do help. They align the
kneecap a bit and seem to really reduce irritation of the tendon.

If knee cap alingnment is the problem, a better approach would be to
solve it by figuring out what is causing that at a fundmental level --
it's typically due to some muscle strength imbalances and/or tightness
in the hips or ITB. Then addressing that by improving strength or
mobliity/flexiblity as needed.

Among palitives, at least for cycling, orthortics or other forms of
correction at the foot can help too.

On Nov 12, 12:43*am, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote:
" considered Tue, 11 Nov 2008
18:22:30 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:





On Nov 11, 7:50*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
: I've got a bad knee from an accident a few years back, and have been
: considering knee warmers for this winter. *The knee has already caused
: me to give up the fixed gear riding, and limit what I get into mashing
: up really steep stuff on the single speed (usually off-road). *Thing
: is, I don't wear shorts if I'm going to be cold. *I tend to ride in
: pants, sometimes in layers, sometimes in fleece lined pants, and don't
: find my knees to be cold. *I'm not warm when I start my rides, but not
: freezing either, and I get warm in very short order. *Would knee
: warmers have any benefit to me in this situation, or are they only
: helpful to keep cranky knees from getting cold when wearing shorts in
: colder weather?

What does your knee do? If it clicks or grinds, you could have a loose piece
of bone or cartilege in there playing havoc. I let my knee problem go on and
on until one day it just flat locked up on me. *A piece of torn meniscus had
gotten in the way of it bending....

I should probably mention that the injury that started all this was
not a break, it was a severe impact coupled with a nasty twist. *It
all happened too fast to be precise, but it bent in a way it wasn't
meant to and was the first thing to contact with a fixed object
bringing me from 30+MPH to 0 in however much space it takes my body to
crumple and bounce back. *There was a ton of fluid in the X-Rays, and
tendon damage. *I think the surgery they want to do is tendon type
stuff. *I'm not 100% sure because when they told me I was on a solid
dose of pain meds and all I really processed was "They want to operate
on my knee. *Of all things, there is no way anyone is operating on my
knee. That never ends well, and I have too much knee-intensive stuff
left to do in my life, including biking".

Sounds rather similar to my PCL problems.
I gather that reconstructive surgery is not particularly successful
for this (at least, not in a case like mine, where it was undiagnosed
for decades) so I'm just living with a brace and a heavy limp.
Without the brace, I kept having it give way at awkward moments.
Since getting the brace, I can cycle, and my muscle wastage is sorted
(I could barely exercise it at all for years before getting the
diagnosis & brace, hence the wastage).

It may be worth at least having an arthroscopy, just so you know
what's going on in there. *That will only keep you off the bike for a
couple of weeks.- Hide quoted text -

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Quite a few people I know keep telling me to get it handled while I'm
young and the injury is somewhat recent (within a coupleafew years
anyway). Your case seems to support that theory. Maybe I'll get a
referral next time I see my doc. Letting them look can't hurt, I
suppose. Doesn't mean I have to let them operate.

On Nov 12, 12:56*pm, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote:
" considered Wed, 12 Nov 2008
05:41:16 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:





On Nov 12, 12:43*am, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk
wrote:
" considered Tue, 11 Nov 2008
18:22:30 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

On Nov 11, 7:50*pm, "PatTX" wrote:
: I've got a bad knee from an accident a few years back, and have been
: considering knee warmers for this winter. *The knee has already caused
: me to give up the fixed gear riding, and limit what I get into mashing
: up really steep stuff on the single speed (usually off-road). *Thing
: is, I don't wear shorts if I'm going to be cold. *I tend to ride in
: pants, sometimes in layers, sometimes in fleece lined pants, and don't
: find my knees to be cold. *I'm not warm when I start my rides, but not
: freezing either, and I get warm in very short order. *Would knee
: warmers have any benefit to me in this situation, or are they only
: helpful to keep cranky knees from getting cold when wearing shorts in
: colder weather?

What does your knee do? If it clicks or grinds, you could have a loose piece
of bone or cartilege in there playing havoc. I let my knee problem go on and
on until one day it just flat locked up on me. *A piece of torn meniscus had
gotten in the way of it bending....

I should probably mention that the injury that started all this was
not a break, it was a severe impact coupled with a nasty twist. *It
all happened too fast to be precise, but it bent in a way it wasn't
meant to and was the first thing to contact with a fixed object
bringing me from 30+MPH to 0 in however much space it takes my body to
crumple and bounce back. *There was a ton of fluid in the X-Rays, and
tendon damage. *I think the surgery they want to do is tendon type
stuff. *I'm not 100% sure because when they told me I was on a solid
dose of pain meds and all I really processed was "They want to operate
on my knee. *Of all things, there is no way anyone is operating on my
knee. That never ends well, and I have too much knee-intensive stuff
left to do in my life, including biking".

Sounds rather similar to my PCL problems.
I gather that reconstructive surgery is not particularly successful
for this (at least, not in a case like mine, where it was undiagnosed
for decades) so I'm just living with a brace and a heavy limp.
Without the brace, I kept having it give way at awkward moments.
Since getting the brace, I can cycle, and my muscle wastage is sorted
(I could barely exercise it at all for years before getting the
diagnosis & brace, hence the wastage).

It may be worth at least having an arthroscopy, just so you know
what's going on in there. *That will only keep you off the bike for a
couple of weeks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Quite a few people I know keep telling me to get it handled while I'm
young and the injury is somewhat recent (within a coupleafew years
anyway). *Your case seems to support that theory. *Maybe I'll get a
referral next time I see my doc. *Letting them look can't hurt, I
suppose. *Doesn't mean I have to let them operate.

Exactly right - an investigation will be useful in any case, since it
will very likely tell you what kind of support or bracing is
appropriate, and a decent surgeon will be able to advise what the
likely success rate for any reconstructive surgery will be in your own
case.
I was advised by my surgeon that the younger you are and the more
recent the injury, the better the chance of success, and that in my
case, the delay in diagnosis reduced the chance to the point where he
would not recommend it unless life became intolerable without it being
attempted (but that attempting it might make it worse).
My PCL is completely atrophied, so there's nothing even there to build
on. *If you catch it while there's still some useful tissue remaining,
the surgery is more likely to be successful, and less peripheral
damage to the knee will have been caused from it moving in ways that
knees shouldn't.

If yours is a PCL injury, building up the quad helps support the knee.
Jarring and twisting (like if you do jogging, or walk on uneven
ground) will make things worse.

HTH

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Thanks for the input. I'll talk to my doc about a referral next time
I'm in. I've been knowing I needed it for a while now, and just
putting it off. I've also been using the argument "technology is
improving, so the longer I wait the better a job they'll be able to do
fixing it". Your experince prettymuch nullifies that arguement.

try kid's poly sleepwear from a local thrift. cut of arms and legs.

datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
try kid's poly sleepwear from a local thrift. cut of arms and legs.

CHILD AMPUTATION???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:01:11 -0800 (PST), "
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On Nov 10, 6:55*pm, patrick wrote:
anybody have a favorite knee warmer (brand)? 57 and a couple knee ops
to the right knee seem to have made it a bit cranky (actually less
cranky) due to lower temps. Suggestions? Be nice.... Pat

Dear Patrick,

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Carl Fogel

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Fausto Coppi is my sartorial hero.

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Ryan Cousineau /
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