Where is the Attempted Murder Charge?

On 6/15/2011 4:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:58 pm, wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

On Professor Hare's widely used scale, about one in a 100 Americans is
a psychopath, including the majority of those in prison and almost
everyone on death row.

The equivalent number for Britain is one in 200, half the density of
psychopaths compared to the States.

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

Around here it doesn't take long to meet a cycling psychopath! we must
be somewhere between the US and GB, so say one out of every 150 cyclists
should be a psychopath. Saw one yesterday going over an overpass in
rush hour traffic on a three lane road with head phones on and popping a
wheelie with the cars all around him. Thought immediately of Dan on
drugs but he was "taking the lane" so ...

On 6/15/2011 8:04 PM, Chalo wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

Jay Beattie wrote:

Phil W Lee wrote:

If licence suspensions and/or revocations were used more often, people
would get used to the idea of alternatives to driving, and it would be
economically viable to provide those alternatives.

No, they would get used to driving without a license -- and without
insurance.

The accident described in the original post involved an aparent
psychopathic driver. Most non-psychopathic drivers want to avoid
accidents and do not need further incentive -- e.g., the threat of
license suspension or revocation for an "accident." Psychopaths don't
care and are probably driving without a license anyway.

The people who do the most damage are rarely those who respond to
bland punishments.

OK, good argument.

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out the
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

As a daily newspaper reader, it's overwhelming.
No, I do not have an answer to the problem.

My suggestion is a simple one: Make leaving the scene equal to
intent, legally speaking. That means a fender bender turns into
criminal mischief, bumping a ped turns into assault, crashing a
cyclist equals aggravated assault, and killing someone with your car
becomes second degree murder, if you leave the scene.

As it is, there's no disincentive to leave the scene, because the
consequences are rarely worse if you are caught than if you stay on
the scene-- and you might not get caught at all.

I had to make a (rare) jaunt out to suburban freeway land this
afternoon. All I can say is it's no wonder those people are dead
inside. We can win our lives back, but first we have to get rid of
the ****ing cars. Making the harm people do with cars morally and
legally equivalent to the same harm if they did it with a chainsaw is
a step in the right direction. And taking people out of cars--
permanently-- who have proven themselves to be unfit to the task of
driving is another.

+1

On Jun 16, 10:21*pm, Duane Hebert wrote:
On 6/15/2011 4:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58 pm, *wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago..cbslocal.com/2011/06...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

On Professor Hare's widely used scale, about one in a 100 Americans is
a psychopath, including the majority of those in prison and almost
everyone on death row.

The equivalent number for Britain is one in 200, half the density of
psychopaths compared to the States.

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

Around here it doesn't take long to meet a cycling psychopath! *we must
be somewhere between the US and GB, so say one out of every 150 cyclists
should be a psychopath. *Saw one yesterday going over an overpass in
rush hour traffic on a three lane road with head phones on and popping a
wheelie with the cars all around him. *Thought immediately of Dan on
drugs but he was "taking the lane" so ...

LOL. Thanks, Duane.

--
JS.

On Jun 16, 4:29*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

My dear James, perish the thought that I should require the assistance
of The Wales Ignorance Scam to know who the famous Klinger is! Why, I
had a child of the right age in just the years when *MASH* was being
retreaded on television for the third or fourth time, and my household
revolved around its time slot.

Ha! Our house too. That and Dr Who. MASH is probably the best to
come out of the US, IMHO. Can't beat the Yes Minister and Yes Prime
Minister series from the UK, though. Much is still pertinent today.

--
JS.

On Jun 16, 1:28*pm, James wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:21*pm, Duane Hebert wrote:





On 6/15/2011 4:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58 pm, *wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

On Professor Hare's widely used scale, about one in a 100 Americans is
a psychopath, including the majority of those in prison and almost
everyone on death row.

The equivalent number for Britain is one in 200, half the density of
psychopaths compared to the States.

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

Around here it doesn't take long to meet a cycling psychopath! *we must
be somewhere between the US and GB, so say one out of every 150 cyclists
should be a psychopath. *Saw one yesterday going over an overpass in
rush hour traffic on a three lane road with head phones on and popping a
wheelie with the cars all around him. *Thought immediately of Dan on
drugs but he was "taking the lane" so ...

LOL. *Thanks, Duane.

Now, now, boys, let's not have physicals here. And don't think you can
sneak a swiftie by me by asking Frank to prove he was south of the
border all day yesterday.

Andre "The Disciplinarian" (I wish!) Jute

On Jun 16, 1:31*pm, James wrote:
On Jun 16, 4:29*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

My dear James, perish the thought that I should require the assistance
of The Wales Ignorance Scam to know who the famous Klinger is! Why, I
had a child of the right age in just the years when *MASH* was being
retreaded on television for the third or fourth time, and my household
revolved around its time slot.

Ha! *Our house too. *That and Dr Who. *MASH is probably the best to
come out of the US, IMHO. *Can't beat the Yes Minister and Yes Prime
Minister series from the UK, though. *Much is still pertinent today.

British comedy is so superior, it comes as a shock to be reminded of
MASH, which was also superior (throwing a bone to Michael Press, who's
quivering like a pointer dog, waiting for me to commit a tautology).

The problem is that British Comedy is Best because it Takes Risks. And
that also means that when it fails, it is simply embarrassing. I find
much of John Cleese's work... simply embarrassing.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Bicycles at
http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLING.html

On 6/16/2011 10:35 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Jun 16, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:21 pm, Duane wrote:





On 6/15/2011 4:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58 pm, wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

On Professor Hare's widely used scale, about one in a 100 Americans is
a psychopath, including the majority of those in prison and almost
everyone on death row.

The equivalent number for Britain is one in 200, half the density of
psychopaths compared to the States.

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

Around here it doesn't take long to meet a cycling psychopath! we must
be somewhere between the US and GB, so say one out of every 150 cyclists
should be a psychopath. Saw one yesterday going over an overpass in
rush hour traffic on a three lane road with head phones on and popping a
wheelie with the cars all around him. Thought immediately of Dan on
drugs but he was "taking the lane" so ...

LOL. Thanks, Duane.

Now, now, boys, let's not have physicals here. And don't think you can
sneak a swiftie by me by asking Frank to prove he was south of the
border all day yesterday.

Sorry but the bit about south of the border went over my head.

On Jun 16, 3:35*am, Michael Press wrote:
In article
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*Andre Jute wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58*pm, AMuzi wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

[...]

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

* ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

--
Michael Press

I think I have some authority on the subject of dealing with
psychopaths in control of moving lethal weapons, having been the
victim of an attempted murder back in 2001. I have been riding on the
roads and streets since shortly after LBJ took office and so far only
one person has tried to kill me on my bicycle. That's more than 45
years riding in the US with only one person actually trying to kill
me, so I would say that the psychopath level is much lower than 1%.
Sociopaths on the other hand ^are^ about 1% judging by the number of
non-lethal violent encounters I receive. The problem is the number of
encounters I get on every trip due to the difference in speed between
my vehicle and the weapon vehicles. The testing for a driver's license
needs to be on the same level as a CHL or pilot's license for both
expense and thoroughness, to weed out the sociopaths.

On 6/16/2011 11:25 AM, Opus wrote:
On Jun 16, 3:35 am, Michael wrote:
In article
,
Andre wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58 pm, wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

[...]

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

--
Michael Press

I think I have some authority on the subject of dealing with
psychopaths in control of moving lethal weapons, having been the
victim of an attempted murder back in 2001. I have been riding on the
roads and streets since shortly after LBJ took office and so far only
one person has tried to kill me on my bicycle. That's more than 45
years riding in the US with only one person actually trying to kill
me, so I would say that the psychopath level is much lower than 1%.
Sociopaths on the other hand ^are^ about 1% judging by the number of
non-lethal violent encounters I receive. The problem is the number of
encounters I get on every trip due to the difference in speed between
my vehicle and the weapon vehicles. The testing for a driver's license
needs to be on the same level as a CHL or pilot's license for both
expense and thoroughness, to weed out the sociopaths.

I just sort of assumed that we were talking about sociopaths when lack
of enmity was mentioned. But I'm not sure that the difference between
the two is so clear. Not being a psychiatrists, but only using
dictionary.com:


so·ci·o·path
   [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA

noun Psychiatry .
a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial
and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


The way that I understand this, a psychopath exhibits aggressive
behavior but doesn't necessarily lack a social conscience. I guess one
could chop up the ex and then feel really bad about it...

On Jun 16, 4:25*pm, Opus wrote:
On Jun 16, 3:35*am, Michael Press wrote:





In article
,
*Andre Jute wrote:

On Jun 15, 8:58*pm, AMuzi wrote:

But there are just so damned many psychopaths out thehttp://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...s-girl-on-bike...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vcvgxv

[...]

So a bicyclist doesn't have to be on a busy road very long to be in
close proximity to a psychopath in charge of a moving lethal weapon.

* ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

--
Michael Press

I think I have some authority on the subject of dealing with
psychopaths in control of moving lethal weapons, having been the
victim of an attempted murder back in 2001. I have been riding on the
roads and streets since shortly after LBJ took office and so far only
one person has tried to kill me on my bicycle. That's more than 45
years riding in the US with only one person actually trying to kill
me, so I would say that the psychopath level is much lower than 1%.
Sociopaths on the other hand ^are^ about 1% judging by the number of
non-lethal violent encounters I receive. The problem is the number of
encounters I get on every trip due to the difference in speed between
my vehicle and the weapon vehicles. The testing for a driver's license
needs to be on the same level as a CHL or pilot's license for both
expense and thoroughness, to weed out the sociopaths.

Your math only works, Opus, if you assume that every psychopath wants
to kill you, personally, or wants to kill all cyclists. Why should
every psychopath want to kill you in particular, or even all cyclists?

Andre Jute
Overlapping circles