King Cage - Bottle Cage Failures

Carl Sundquist wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
SMS aka Steven M. Scharf wrote:
wrote:

****can those King cages and get yerself summa thoze Nitto "R" cages
that are shaped like an hourglass. I'll bet that one of those gems
has never failed in real-life. Sure, they're pricey compared to other
non-CFRP cages but there prolly ain't a more beautiful and functional
piece of bike crap in the whole world. Plus which, they really aren't
that expensive compared to the CFRP ones that most idiots buy today.

I think that anyone that spends $50 on a Nitto cage is as equally
idiotic as someone that buys a carbon fiber cage.

Actually there are some reasons to buy a non-metal cage, but an
injection molded fiberglas reinforced nylon cage is sufficient if you
want to carry something like a steel vacuum bottle or steel vacuum
commuter cup. The Profile Kage from Profile Design costs $3.49 at
PricePoint, "http://tinyurl.com/profilekage".

They also have a stainless steel cage,
"http://tinyurl.com/settestainlesscage"

You know that there is no recession as long as people are buying $50
water bottle cages.

What is the strongest cage on the market?

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the
cage, so I tend to break them frequently.


Where is ShelBroCo when you need them?

I think he had a concrete cage to go with the concrete seat.

yup. I had residual stress from two first BC failures then hooked the
third with a shock cord, other end tied to Grant's Tomb now muh Third
Hand 3 in one split fur no good reason.
Remember those 350 Yamaha welds....those were the days.

On Feb 27, 1:27*pm, SMS wrote:

I think that anyone that spends $50 on a Nitto cage is as equally
idiotic as someone that buys a carbon fiber cage.

Not equal at all. Nitto = beauty = Idiot with class. CFRP = hideous
= Idiot that is trying hard to become a moron. I got my Nittos when
they were only $38 and when my 401K was going to let me retire before
I turned 85.


You know that there is no recession as long as people are buying $50
water bottle cages.

Or $900 cranksets or $500 brake calipers or $5000 plastic frames or
$2000 wheels or {insert yer favorite overpriced bike gewgaw here}.

Clive George wrote:
wrote in message
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Or $900 cranksets or $500 brake calipers or $5000 plastic frames or
$2000 wheels or {insert yer favorite overpriced bike gewgaw here}.

Just saw this one the other day -

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Li...ur/5360040339/




http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=254

http://www.b-t-p.de/B-T-P_Team/b-t-p_team1.html

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:19:54 -0800, jim beam
wrote:

wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:33?pm, Steve Sr. wrote:
Hello,

A while back I put 2 King Cage (www.kingcage.com) stainless steel
watter bottle cages on my regular road bike. About a month ago on a
ride the seat tube cage broke at the bottom mounting bracket weld. Now
inspecting the other cage it is about to fail as well in the same
manner. Looks like metal fatigue.

Have any of you seen this before? Other than the durability issue
these seem to be nice cages.

Are there any other stainless steel cages that are more durable?

Thanks,

Steve

Dear Steve,

Aluminum, failures at the weld after ~200 km:

http://www.m-gineering.nl/crack.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel


residual stress was a component. see the way the cage has sprung open?

Carl, Jim,

Residual stress seems to be an issue with these as well as the
asymmetry of the one side of the cage is significantly different from
the other side.

Steve

On Feb 27, 3:52*pm, SMS wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
What is the strongest cage on the market?

Unknown. Based on looking at the construction quality, I'd say the Forte
Performance Terra Lite Stainless MTB Cage is one of the strongest.
Better design than the King Cages in terms of how the mounting plate is
welded to the tubing.

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the cage,
so I tend to break them frequently.

The solution isn't a stronger cage, which will transfer the force to the
braze-ons and damage the frame, especially if it's an aluminum frame
with Rivnuts.

I'd buy a set of
"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB=%273242-00%27"
and mount them snug, but not so tight that they can't rotate around the
tube (assuming it's round tubing!).

I use these on one of my folding bikes where it's necessary to rotate
the cage out the way when folding the bike.

The TwoFish stainless 'quick cage' is a nice solution:
http://www.twofish.biz/bike.html

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:31:18 -0600, John Thompson
wrote:

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On 2009-02-27, SMS wrote:

wrote:

I have the Performance stainless MTB cages on all of my road bikes.
No complaints in many thousands of miles. You can usually get them
two for $12 or so.

Yes, those are great cages at a good price. At that price there's no
reason to be using aluminum cages with all their problems.

What problems with alumnium cages? I have aluminum cages on all my bikes
(probably over a dozen cages altogether, from Blackburn, American
Classic, Cobra, REG, and others), none less than 20 years old, and no
failures of any type.

I used to use aluminum cages from Blackburn and American Classic, but
the aluminum rubbed off on the bottles, making them dirty. Plus they
didn't hold bottles as securely over bad bumps as my King steel cages.

Nicholas Grieco wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:52 pm, SMS wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
What is the strongest cage on the market?
Unknown. Based on looking at the construction quality, I'd say the Forte
Performance Terra Lite Stainless MTB Cage is one of the strongest.
Better design than the King Cages in terms of how the mounting plate is
welded to the tubing.

When I lay my lowracer down on the non drive side, it rests on the cage,
so I tend to break them frequently.
The solution isn't a stronger cage, which will transfer the force to the
braze-ons and damage the frame, especially if it's an aluminum frame
with Rivnuts.

I'd buy a set of
"http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.aspx?PART_NUM_SUB=%273242-00%27"
and mount them snug, but not so tight that they can't rotate around the
tube (assuming it's round tubing!).

I use these on one of my folding bikes where it's necessary to rotate
the cage out the way when folding the bike.

The TwoFish stainless 'quick cage' is a nice solution:
http://www.twofish.biz/bike.html

I have one of those but it's not my favorite solution. It moves a lot
when you put the bottle in or remove it.

John Thompson wrote:
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On 2009-02-27, SMS wrote:

wrote:

I have the Performance stainless MTB cages on all of my road bikes.
No complaints in many thousands of miles. You can usually get them
two for $12 or so.

Yes, those are great cages at a good price. At that price there's no
reason to be using aluminum cages with all their problems.

What problems with alumnium cages? I have aluminum cages on all my bikes
(probably over a dozen cages altogether, from Blackburn, American
Classic, Cobra, REG, and others), none less than 20 years old, and no
failures of any type.

The biggest issue is that they mark up the bottles. The second is that
they tend to break if hit, as one poster mentioned happens when he lays
his bike down on the non-drivetrain side. I don't think I've ever broken
a stainless cage, while I have broken a couple of aluminum cages.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:10:13 -0800 (PST), LF wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:33*pm, Steve Sr. wrote:
Hello,

A while back I put 2 King Cage (www.kingcage.com) stainless steel
watter bottle cages on my regular road bike. About a month ago on a
ride the seat tube cage broke at the bottom mounting bracket weld. Now
inspecting the other cage it is about to fail as well in the same
manner. snip

Did you email (no affiliation) kingcage yet? These are handmade, and
I'll bet you a nickel that the manufacturer will stand behind them.
I've had a pair for about 5 years. Work great.
Have you tried their titanium tire levers? The greatest -- they work
exceptionally well on tight tires.

Larry,

Yes, I called King Cage and they will be replacing the unit. I am also
going to include some photos of the break area for them to analyze.

One thing I noticed is that the cage did not seem to hold the bottle
symmetrically. One of the down tubes (the side that broke) has a nice
flat spot worn on it whereas the other side looks untouched.

Best,

Steve