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big snip One could not have predicted a separation of the pre-preg layers inside the wheel and totally invisible from the outside. Are you sure you want to keep riding that brand of wheel? Sounds like a do it yourself concussion kit. |
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. cheers, John B. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Goodness! You mean that all the American companies that make carbon fiber make airplanes? What abut ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft. Or are you wrong once again? cheers, John B. Exactly what proof did you provide that some American companies were making carbon wheels? Or is it your assumption that "sporting goods" means bicycle wheels? |
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 5:13:45 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. cheers, John B. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Well Tom, try TREK, who tell us that their bicycles are made of material produced by HEXCEL Products, inc. of Stamford, Connecticut, and TREK states that they use"all USA-made carbon fiber from Salt Lake City, Utah". Granted I haven't lived in the U.S. for many years but I hadn't heard that Connecticut and Utah had recently seceded from the United States... or (yawn) are you in error yet again? cheers, John B. I don't have any idea of what you're talking about since I sincerely doubt that they are sending HEXcel material to India where the majority of Trek CF bikes are made. |
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On 11/21/2018 10:45 AM, wrote:
On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Goodness! You mean that all the American companies that make carbon fiber make airplanes? What abut ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft. Or are you wrong once again? Exactly what proof did you provide that some American companies were making carbon wheels? Or is it your assumption that "sporting goods" means bicycle wheels? one of several: https://www.enve.com/en/why-enve/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:45:32 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. cheers, John B. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Goodness! You mean that all the American companies that make carbon fiber make airplanes? What abut ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft. Or are you wrong once again? cheers, John B. Exactly what proof did you provide that some American companies were making carbon wheels? Or is it your assumption that "sporting goods" means bicycle wheels? Wrong again -- you seem to make a habit of it. You stated (see above) "There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry." And I pointed out that "ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft." You spoke, I replied and now you change the subject. cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:47:50 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 5:13:45 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. cheers, John B. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Well Tom, try TREK, who tell us that their bicycles are made of material produced by HEXCEL Products, inc. of Stamford, Connecticut, and TREK states that they use"all USA-made carbon fiber from Salt Lake City, Utah". Granted I haven't lived in the U.S. for many years but I hadn't heard that Connecticut and Utah had recently seceded from the United States... or (yawn) are you in error yet again? cheers, John B. I don't have any idea of what you're talking about since I sincerely doubt that they are sending HEXcel material to India where the majority of Trek CF bikes are made. You stated (see above) that "John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber?" I then pointed out that TREK makes bicycles in the U.S. out of "American carbon fiber". Now you talk about India? You spoke, I replied and now you've gone to India.... Weird! cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 12:31:46 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/21/2018 10:45 AM, wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Goodness! You mean that all the American companies that make carbon fiber make airplanes? What abut ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft. Or are you wrong once again? Exactly what proof did you provide that some American companies were making carbon wheels? Or is it your assumption that "sporting goods" means bicycle wheels? one of several: https://www.enve.com/en/why-enve/ Careful, Andrew, he'll be off to India next. cheers, John B. |
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:31:47 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/21/2018 10:45 AM, wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. Interesting as the U.S. makes as much carbon fiber as the next three companies (Japan, China and Taiwan) combined. John - that carbon fiber is used for making aircraft. What bicycles in the world do you believe to have been manufactured using American carbon fiber? There is a minute American CF industry outside of the aircraft industry. Goodness! You mean that all the American companies that make carbon fiber make airplanes? What abut ZOLTEK, founded in 1975 in St. Louis, and lists their products as being used in the: Automotive, Wind Energy, Friction Resistance, Civil Engineering, Marine, Sporting Goods, 3D Printing, Oil and Gas(off shore) Drilling, Pressure Vessels, and several other fields.... not a mention of Aircraft. Or are you wrong once again? Exactly what proof did you provide that some American companies were making carbon wheels? Or is it your assumption that "sporting goods" means bicycle wheels? one of several: https://www.enve.com/en/why-enve/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Andrew, those wheels retail for $2,900. On Ebay you can get them for about $1,400 and wonder if they are factory seconds. A Chinese wheelset is available for $288. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightweight...ltMg:rk:7:pf:0 (these are the same price from the same dealer with Clinchers available in Campy or Shimano. The lowest end Novotec hubs after a short wear-in period have to little friction that you can spin them and come back 5 minutes later and they are still turning. If there were any American wheels anywhere in the same category I would be the first to buy them but there isn't. And I am suspicious of "American made" and then "DT Swiss Hubs" as well as really no mention of where the rims are made. |
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On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:31:47 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/21/2018 10:45 AM, wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:54 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-8, John B. slocomb wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 16:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 2:20:54 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2018 4:06 PM, wrote: I bought a set of clincher carbon fiber wheels -snip- Chinese -snip- micky mouse operation -snip- AHHHHHHHHH SHOOT ME! Not-China product; dependable, light, durable: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Technologies/2_way_fit Andrew, I believe that all carbon wheels are constructed in China or Taiwan with the exception of the Campy Bell wheels. I do not know where they're made. But they are all made from the same pre-preg cloth from Japan. |
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