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Old January 5th 07, 03:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,aus.bicycle
Michael Press
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.

I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?

How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

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Old January 5th 07, 01:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,aus.bicycle
stu
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.


"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?

What type of batteries?... but thats sounds about right for a ball park

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?

Depends on the type of bike of course.....120W for a ball park
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm


How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

Again sounds like a good enough number

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

So 120W at the wheel equals 250W out of the wall.
So if you carry a big enough battery for 4 hours (1kW/hr) it will cost
between $0.13 to $0.23 + 7.5% tax, not bad for a 60 mile trip, of course at
12V that would be a 50Amp/hr battery


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Old January 5th 07, 11:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Phil, Non-Squid
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.

stu wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?

What type of batteries?... but thats sounds about right for a ball
park

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?

Depends on the type of bike of course.....120W for a ball park
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm


How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

Again sounds like a good enough number

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

So 120W at the wheel equals 250W out of the wall.
So if you carry a big enough battery for 4 hours (1kW/hr) it will cost
between $0.13 to $0.23 + 7.5% tax, not bad for a 60 mile trip, of
course at 12V that would be a 50Amp/hr battery


Maybe two 220Ah 6V deep-cycle marine batts in series will do the trick.
Then he can make it from Los Angeles to Las Vegas in one trip.
--
Phil


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Old January 6th 07, 07:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,aus.bicycle
Michael Press
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.

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"stu" wrote:

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?

What type of batteries?... but thats sounds about right for a ball park

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?

Depends on the type of bike of course.....120W for a ball park
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm


How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

Again sounds like a good enough number

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

So 120W at the wheel equals 250W out of the wall.
So if you carry a big enough battery for 4 hours (1kW/hr) it will cost


1 kW/hr is not a measure of energy. Could this be 1 kW-hr?

between $0.13 to $0.23 + 7.5% tax, not bad for a 60 mile trip, of course at
12V that would be a 50Amp/hr battery


50 Amp-hr @ 12 volt?

Keep your units straight, and they will keep you straight.

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Michael Press
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Old January 6th 07, 07:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Michael Press
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.

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m,
"Phil, Non-Squid" wrote:

stu wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?

What type of batteries?... but thats sounds about right for a ball
park

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?

Depends on the type of bike of course.....120W for a ball park
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm


How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

Again sounds like a good enough number

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

So 120W at the wheel equals 250W out of the wall.
So if you carry a big enough battery for 4 hours (1kW/hr) it will cost
between $0.13 to $0.23 + 7.5% tax, not bad for a 60 mile trip, of
course at 12V that would be a 50Amp/hr battery


Maybe two 220Ah 6V deep-cycle marine batts in series will do the trick.
Then he can make it from Los Angeles to Las Vegas in one trip.


Yeah! What do they weigh? Around 3 kilogram for the pair?

--
Michael Press
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Old January 6th 07, 09:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Phil, Non-Squid
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Default Price of electricity for an electric bicycle.

Michael Press wrote:
In article
m,
"Phil, Non-Squid" wrote:

stu wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message
...
I have questions, but no answers. Please help. Thanks.

What is the price of electricity at the wall outlet?
Here it is $0.13 to $0.23 /(kilowatt-hour) + 7.5% tax.
Some electric companies have a stepped price schedule
so that the rate increases with total usage.

How efficient is a battery charger? Does 60% of the
energy out of the wall get into the battery?
What type of batteries?... but thats sounds about right for a ball
park

How much power goes into overcoming rolling resistance
and wind resistance at 15 mph?
Depends on the type of bike of course.....120W for a ball park
http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm


How efficient is the electric motor? 80%?

Again sounds like a good enough number

What is the price of electricity from wall outlet to
rubber on the road?

So 120W at the wheel equals 250W out of the wall.
So if you carry a big enough battery for 4 hours (1kW/hr) it will
cost between $0.13 to $0.23 + 7.5% tax, not bad for a 60 mile
trip, of course at 12V that would be a 50Amp/hr battery


Maybe two 220Ah 6V deep-cycle marine batts in series will do the
trick. Then he can make it from Los Angeles to Las Vegas in one trip.


Yeah! What do they weigh? Around 3 kilogram for the pair?


I forgot my smiley. An e-bike came in the shop last year and that thing was
a pain. Truing the wheel required disconnecting all the electrics. Not the
best thing to do.
--
Phil


 




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