Monthly cycling deaths, Sacramento :-(

On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


Is that not a bike lane? http://tinyurl.com/j96dpu5

-- Jay Beattie.

On 2016-09-03 09:15, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


Is that not a bike lane? http://tinyurl.com/j96dpu5


That is not a proper bike lane and it is rather obvious why it isn't.
Why do you think the labeling as bike lane was erased while the striping
was renewed?

This is one of the roads I try to avoid whenever possible.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 9/3/2016 4:41 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 09:15, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an
almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages
over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around
here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the
newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike
lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


Is that not a bike lane? http://tinyurl.com/j96dpu5


That is not a proper bike lane and it is rather obvious why it isn't.
Why do you think the labeling as bike lane was erased while the striping
was renewed?

This is one of the roads I try to avoid whenever possible.

So you're hiding behind shifting standards. We have advocates demanding
deficient, even insane designs, because "any bike facility is a good
bike facility." Then when the design injures or kills a cyclist (as in
this case) we have people claiming "well, the concept is good, they just
messed up when they built it."

The latest example I heard about: Lakewood, a western suburb of
Cleveland OH, had in their bike plan a statement that many roads have
insufficient room for bike lanes, so they would instead use sharrows.
Then a noisy lobbying group (Bike Cleveland, IIRC) said sharrows are
insufficient, and demanded bike lanes even if they were in the door zone.

The city caved in to the noise. Here's the result:
http://tinyurl.com/jslqskt
A bike lane _officially labeled_ as hazardous. Except that those who
would be most lured into using it are those who have no idea what "door
zone" is supposed to mean.

I wonder if it's possible for the first injured party to win a lawsuit
against the DZBL advocates?


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Huh I thought it was the distribution of registered voters
in Gene's Florida Congressional district.


anything is impossible. follow the spin on Zika. like Dinky but off course extr

y serious. article showed this morning: SHOULD WE VISIT FLORIDA ? the state went to No. 3 in population last Feb. I'm not sure if they're al here at the same time...I'm not so....

when the Wynwood news broke I gave the landlady a can of green Deet ...

she said....well your leaving.....stoic....she owns the storage area filled with RV n boats. next to Estero Bay. A swamp filled with gators n turtles. once....

ok here's the typical:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Radel

goo.gl/DaEN5y

? serious perception disablility

whaddya think of bikelawtech ?

ahhhh they're playing opera tonight !

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 10:59:54 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Good luck suing Google for leading you to the abattoir. Google, and its entire Board of Directors, are outright thieves who tried to steal the copyright of every book in the world, until stopped in their tracks by a judge with his brains in gear. They're scum.

Andre Jute
Google and its Board aren't thieves and scum because I say so, but because they attempted a massive theft

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 6:26:40 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 10:59:54 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Good luck suing Google for leading you to the abattoir. Google, and its entire Board of Directors, are outright thieves who tried to steal the copyright of every book in the world, until stopped in their tracks by a judge with his brains in gear. They're scum.

Andre Jute
Google and its Board aren't thieves and scum because I say so, but because they attempted a massive theft

my deal is psionics.

world class wizard Yoda approved with a basic electronics background.

Goo is world class electronics, subgrade wizardy.

so.....I cannot hear any audio without harassment. EG, utube fix the vacuum cleaner ? no way....all visuals.

There was a period where if I would move toward predicting online in Groups, a switchman in Goo would shut off my subscription until the event passed.

Yesterday I hadda throw Dell over the side caws of harassment from India or M anila: no parts.

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 1:41:03 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 09:15, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


Is that not a bike lane? http://tinyurl.com/j96dpu5


That is not a proper bike lane and it is rather obvious why it isn't.
Why do you think the labeling as bike lane was erased while the striping
was renewed?

This is one of the roads I try to avoid whenever possible.

Why is it not a "proper" bike lane -- because of marking? And if it were a "proper bike lane" how would that have prevented decedent's death? He got right hooked. That happens with bike lanes.

That road looks nicer than 80% of the roads I ride on. I don't recall ever riding on it, but driving the Google car, it doesn't look bad.

-- Jay Beattie.

Jay, 4 prole died in this lane in the last 28 months including a pregnant mother of 3.