Monthly cycling deaths, Sacramento :-(

On 09-03-2016 16:59, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.

Google explicitly states that their bicycling is "beta"
And their recommended routes are sometimes pretty stupid.
Once I was ON the bike trail, and they recommended I go half a kilometer
in the wrong direction to get on the regular street. I knew the bike
trail would get me where I wanted to go; I was just hoping Google would
tell me the distance.

--
Wes Groleau

Goo offers a suggestion that you go over and look/ride ....the system offers awareness.

On 9/3/2016 5:23 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
Huh I thought it was the distribution of registered voters
in Gene's Florida Congressional district.


anything is impossible. follow the spin on Zika. like Dinky but off course extr

y serious. article showed this morning: SHOULD WE VISIT FLORIDA ? the state went to No. 3 in population last Feb. I'm not sure if they're al here at the same time...I'm not so....

when the Wynwood news broke I gave the landlady a can of green Deet ...

she said....well your leaving.....stoic....she owns the storage area filled with RV n boats. next to Estero Bay. A swamp filled with gators n turtles. once....

ok here's the typical:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Radel

goo.gl/DaEN5y

? serious perception disablility

whaddya think of bikelawtech ?

ahhhh they're playing opera tonight !


Uh, that weekend feature in the paper about Florida was
written by Dave Barry ( haven't read it yet).

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2016-09-03 17:19, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 1:41:03 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 09:15, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to
believe it but cycling death in our area (Sacramento,
CA) is unfortunately an almost monthly occurrence by
now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html



A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or
averages over a reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is
"around here" or "in this area" without defining the
limits of your "here" or "area." It seems in reality,
"your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers you
read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in
a straight-ahead bike lane that's to the right of a
motor vehicle turning right. The problem with that
geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


Is that not a bike lane? http://tinyurl.com/j96dpu5


That is not a proper bike lane and it is rather obvious why it
isn't. Why do you think the labeling as bike lane was erased while
the striping was renewed?

This is one of the roads I try to avoid whenever possible.

Why is it not a "proper" bike lane -- because of marking?


There is a wide concrete gutter and too little space. Latest after the
first re-paving you'll have an inch or so step towards the lane. Guess
what happens when you hit that at a shallow angle. Spills you right into
the lane. If they had kept that designated a bike lane it would be a
lawsuit waiting to happen.


... And if it
were a "proper bike lane" how would that have prevented decedent's
death? He got right hooked. That happens with bike lanes.


Yes, it can happen with bike lanes. Which is why I prefer segregated
facilities. What bike lanes can prevent is the accident that killed a
road biker right after we moved here. Two lanes both directions but no
bike lane or shoulder, someone slowed to turn left, a soused driver was
too close, instinctively veered into the right lane to pass on the right
.... SMASH. Now there is a bike lane (finally!). Else I would use my car
on that road like I did for over 15 years. Sometimes I wonder why it
always takes a death until city planners wake up.


That road looks nicer than 80% of the roads I ride on. I don't recall
ever riding on it, but driving the Google car, it doesn't look bad.


In dense traffic there are the impatient rush hour drivers, some of
which still under the influence of some pill that helped them sleep at
night, others eyeing their smart phones. They see a chance to shave
three seconds off their commute by passing on the right, step on it,
veer right and ... "Oh no!"

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2016-09-03 14:59, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.


That means nothing. I have long since abandoned Google for finding
cycleable routes. It also goes the other way. For example, the route to
Placerville I'll take later this week is very nice and completely
segragated to the point where most of the time you can't even hear cars.
Yet it's not even on their map.

Same for the route I'll be on later today. According to Google two major
stretches I use at least once a week do not exist.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 5:41:58 PM UTC-7, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
here's a graph of bicycling students in your area


http://i.imgur.com/1Jddj7s.png

I am really looking forward to meeting you some day. We can have an up close and personal discussion on who owns bicycle trails.

On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 10:14:55 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or "area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...027-story.html

In San Francisco they are presently investigating a corner design that forces drivers to make much sharper right turns that slows them up a great deal.. And there is a specific bike right turn area inside of the corner.

I can't find the design now but I'll keep an eye on it. In San Francisco a large number of the bicyclist deaths are from cyclist proceeding forward and getting struck either by high speed traffic coming from behind and attempting to make a right turn or by traffic from the right running red lights and making high speed right turns through the lights.

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:40:44 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 11:14 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 07:59, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2016 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-02 22:14, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/2/2016 6:52 PM, Joerg wrote:
Some people here don't believe it or don't want to believe it but
cycling death in our area (Sacramento, CA) is unfortunately an almost
monthly occurrence by now:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...e99538017.html

A) You can't grasp the idea of posting data, as opposed to posting
anecdotes or incidents. Where are the actual counts, or averages over a
reasonable period of time?

B) You've repeatedly talked about how dangerous it is "around here" or
"in this area" without defining the limits of your "here" or
"area." It
seems in reality, "your area" is anything mentioned in the newspapers
you read, no matter how far away.

C) And this is yet another incident of a cyclist hit in a
straight-ahead
bike lane that's to the right of a motor vehicle turning right. The
problem with that geometry should be blatantly obvious; yet bike lane
fanatics still demand it.


Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.


Wrong.

https://goo.gl/maps/izaabewySy92


--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank - these are fairly common in California - they are not bike lanes. They mark the safe edge of the road for drivers.

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 10:59:54 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Good luck suing Google for leading you to the abattoir. Google, and its entire Board of Directors, are outright thieves who tried to steal the copyright of every book in the world, until stopped in their tracks by a judge with his brains in gear. They're scum.

Andre Jute
Google and its Board aren't thieves and scum because I say so, but because they attempted a massive theft

Google maps is leading traffic over roads not designed for heavy traffic and this is ruining the few good roads left in California.

I want to see Google made to pay up for damages to roads like Redwood Rd. and Pinehurst and Valley road in Oakland/Moraga area because they route HEAVY traffic on this barely two lane road when highway 24 is having traffic jams.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 8:15:01 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-09-03 14:59, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:14:50 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Please point out the bike lane.

Google Maps shows one in the satellite view.

Wrong.

Very strange.
https://goo.gl/maps/aWxuDY1xZg42
If I turn on the Bicycling feature of Google maps, it marks W. Capital
Ave as a bicycling "trail". Further east, it becomes a "bicycle
friendly road". It may not be up to everyone's standards for a
bicycle lane, but it does seem to be the recommended route for
bicyclists.


That means nothing. I have long since abandoned Google for finding
cycleable routes. It also goes the other way. For example, the route to
Placerville I'll take later this week is very nice and completely
segragated to the point where most of the time you can't even hear cars.
Yet it's not even on their map.

Same for the route I'll be on later today. According to Google two major
stretches I use at least once a week do not exist.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I made a wrong turn and instead of driving out Highland I went over Morgan Territory road. This goes from barely a two lane road to one and a half and on several turns with the outside car on the edge of a cliff park rangers cam speeding around blind turns because this road is lightly traveled.

In another case I crashed hard and was walking my broken bicycle down the hill and a park ranger in a pickup truck drove right by me without so much as slowing down.

Is this the new California park system?