Panniers for school books?

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maxo writes:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:41:38 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:

But a
medium one goes in at an angle.

Amateur. :P

Not so, My Good Man. If I were an 'amateur' (I think you
mean 'dilettante',) I wouldn't have figured out how to
optimally retain their warmth for the homebound leg of
the trip.

A medium pie is placed at an angle to the crate so the whole deal forms an
8 pointed star.

It /will/ twist around and fall in. Milk crates are all about
right angles; diagonals are futile arguments with Ma Nature.

Carrying a selection of bungee cord lengths can be handy as to apply
optimum restraining force to said pie.

If beer cans were available in milk crate height, one
could sit the pie on at least three of those, and just
use one short bungee cord to secure the medium size pizza.
Maybe two, stacked 355-ml/12-oz beer cans /are/ milk crate
height. It sounds about right. I'll have to experiment
with that. I'll report back later.


cheers,
Tom

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On 3/15/2005 8:24 PM Tom Keats wrote:

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"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" m writes:


Surely you are not advocating that I /steal/ them. That would be wrong.


No, not advocating; I'm just off-handedly saying. But
purloined crates do have a certain cachet. Look at it
this way -- in an industrial/commercial environment, a
milk crate is exposed to all kinds of duty-cycle-shortening
abuse. It'll end up as useless landfill long before its
time. Wastefulness is wrong, too. By liberating it you'd
be giving it a long and fruitful new lease on life. So you
wouldn't really be stealing it -- you'd be removing it from
harm's way while assuming the role of its responsible
foster parent.

They told me Satan would have a golden tongue. Begone O foul deceiver!
You twist your words so -- I grow confused.

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In article ,
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" m writes:
On 3/15/2005 8:24 PM Tom Keats wrote:

In article ,
"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" m writes:


Surely you are not advocating that I /steal/ them. That would be wrong.


No, not advocating; I'm just off-handedly saying. But
purloined crates do have a certain cachet. Look at it
this way -- in an industrial/commercial environment, a
milk crate is exposed to all kinds of duty-cycle-shortening
abuse. It'll end up as useless landfill long before its
time. Wastefulness is wrong, too. By liberating it you'd
be giving it a long and fruitful new lease on life. So you
wouldn't really be stealing it -- you'd be removing it from
harm's way while assuming the role of its responsible
foster parent.

They told me Satan would have a golden tongue. Begone O foul deceiver!
You twist your words so -- I grow confused.

Milk crates on bikes are not to be taken lightly.

They're to be taken with gusto, guile and maybe
something else I can't think of right now that
starts with 'g'.


cheers,
Tom

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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
On 3/15/2005 4:56 AM Peter Cole wrote:


I think the milk-crate-strapped(bolted)-to-rack is the best overall
solution.

It seems the only place that I can find REAL milk-crates -- the truly

sturdy heavy-duty kinda waxy plastic ones that humans can't break --
are
in stacks behind food stores and are stamped "PROPERTY OF SAFEWAY
STORES. THE GUY WHO OWNS THIS BIKE STOLE IT."

The ones available for sale, in places like Target, are made of the
same
stuff that Revelle models are made of and will shatter if you give
them
a sharp look.

Yeah, it's a mystery of life -- I don't know where my collection of
crates actually came from. The good thing is that they're old enough
that the "Property of" label refers to defunct enterprises. I did see a
very pristine one on the roadside a few weeks ago, I regret not
snatching it. There must be some legitimate source of these for people
with delicate consciences.

On 3/15/2005 10:47 PM Tom Keats wrote:

Milk crates on bikes are not to be taken lightly.

They're to be taken with gusto, guile and maybe
something else I can't think of right now that
starts with 'g'.

A grimace? Poems by Allen Ginsberg? Vice Grips? Girl Scouts?

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71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
KG6RCR

Peter Cole wrote:
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
On 3/15/2005 4:56 AM Peter Cole wrote:


I think the milk-crate-strapped(bolted)-to-rack is the best
overall
solution.

It seems the only place that I can find REAL milk-crates -- the
truly

sturdy heavy-duty kinda waxy plastic ones that humans can't break
--
are
in stacks behind food stores and are stamped "PROPERTY OF SAFEWAY
STORES. THE GUY WHO OWNS THIS BIKE STOLE IT."

The ones available for sale, in places like Target, are made of the
same
stuff that Revelle models are made of and will shatter if you give
them
a sharp look.

Yeah, it's a mystery of life -- I don't know where my collection of
crates actually came from. The good thing is that they're old enough
that the "Property of" label refers to defunct enterprises. I did see
a
very pristine one on the roadside a few weeks ago, I regret not
snatching it. There must be some legitimate source of these for
people
with delicate consciences.


To answer my own question: http://tinyurl.com/4anrr

"Peter Cole" wrote in message
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Yeah, it's a mystery of life -- I don't know where my collection of
crates actually came from. The good thing is that they're old enough
that the "Property of" label refers to defunct enterprises. I did see a
very pristine one on the roadside a few weeks ago, I regret not
snatching it. There must be some legitimate source of these for people
with delicate consciences.

I have four milk crates, and I have had them for at least 20 years. I just
took a look at them and found that they are stamped with the warning that
they are the property of the registered owner, presumably the Knudsen
Dairies (the name now owned by the Kraft Corporation, the actual milk
produced by Santee Dairies Inc., so I am not sure who really is the owner),
with a $500 fine for thievery.

I got mine from a friend who used to use them with planks to make a
bookcase. She gave them to me when she went to grad school in a different
state. I guess my conscience was too delicate to take some myself, but I was
a willing recipient of stolen property.

If you live in Australia, there's the opportunity for you to come clean:
http://www.dairyfarmers.com.au/inter.../bringback.jsp


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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:58:17 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:

If beer cans were available in milk crate height

Ohhh, such sweet fantasy!

It's not as large as a milk crate, but I'm pretty happy with my Wald
#582 folding metal basket, that attaches to a rear rack. It folds
down to about an inch, when not needed. Available at many
online bike places ... even Amazon has them: http://tinyurl.com/4r7lx

- Tom

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:16:27 +0000, Tom Parker wrote:

It's not as large as a milk crate, but I'm pretty happy with my Wald
#582 folding metal basket, that attaches to a rear rack. It folds
down to about an inch, when not needed. Available at many
online bike places ... even Amazon has them: http://tinyurl.com/4r7lx

- Tom

I used one of those for years on a city bike. They're great. You can clamp
them on to make em hard to steal, and they fit a paper grocery bag
perfectly.