|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
Chuck Anderson wrote in
: Where would be a good source of information to locate a bicycle friendly US city? I want to commute to work on bicycle ways that are separated from the motor ways. I prefer commuting through countryside to commuting through suburbia. I thought you said you wanted to find a bike friendly *city* not a nice ride in the country. In the small towns of Germany where I lived, I had both. Some of the best jobs are in the small towns. And when the small town didn't have some bit of modern life I'd sought, then a short 20 minute ride through the marsh took me to the big town. The ride to the big town was one of my favorite rides: 7 miles along a stream, with stretches through wheat fields and the sounds of bullfrogs with many storks. I miss it. sniff I had this when I was living in Germany, and now that I'm back in the USA, I miss it. Do I have to move back to Europe? Europe is exceptional, but the biggest plus I found in Germany and Austria was not the inner city bikeways. The inner city of a small town is usually a pedestrian zone. Beautiful. I love those too. Everyone is on foot. Even bicycles technically have to walk their bikes. The only motor vehicles are the occasional mercedes step van of shop owners, taxis, or a big truck delivering the bigger loads for shops, but always moving very slowly and the pedestrians with the right of way. What I appreciated was the bike friendly train systems that make it possible to go *any*where in Germany and Austria with your bike - quickly and easily. Yea! Friendly train systems. I didn't even have a car in Europe. I didn't need one. I went everywhere with the efficient trains, buses, and usually my bicycle with me, and not only Germany and Austria. I saw most of Europe that way. Even in the Czech Republic and Hungary, it was quite do- able, although not quite as elegant. There are US cities that are creating that infrastructure now, too. sigh of relief Translatlantic moves are kind of expensive. I didn't want to do it again if I didn't have to. bg There are lots of places that are pretty bike friendly. Try Googling "bicycle friendly cities" and see what you get. Several organizations do rankings along these lines. I got that far. These organizations are promoting a lot of what I would call hype in their zeal to get all the cities on board. There does seem to be some of that. I'm not sure how Denver got on any list. OK. Goes with my suspicion. An example of the hype is the situation in Boulder which I just learned is a heated and dangerous battle between too many cars and too many bikes. I have a picture of congestion, smog, and heated close calls. That sounds too much like the ugly situation in London for my tastes. And that is nowhere near the truth. Great! It sounds like you took one person's rant as fact. I have bicycled in Boulder for 20+ years. I did. It has always been an easy thing to do - and it keeps getting better. A lot of separate bike paths were created in the last 5 - 10 years that follow the creeks that come down out of the mountains and head across town toward the plains. There are underpasses at nearly every street crossing, so you hardly ever have to stop - making bicycle travel across town as quick if not quicker than driving. I'm not familiar with this "dangerous battle with too many cars and bikes." Well she said the battle was in the newspapers and that cars usually win the hard way any contests of right away. I read London into it on my own, because she disappeared from further questioning. I repent my suspiciouns in the presense of better information. :-) Quite the contrary. Drivers tend to be very bicycle aware, as many people in Boulder who drive, also bicycle - or are simply used to seeing bicycles because so many people do ride. Comparing Boulder to London (where I have also ridden) is laughably ludicrous. Great! I repent. I was planning to go there to check it out before the comments I heard from two people on the other newsgroup. The other person merely said that if I should move to boulder, the winters are cold and snowy and her friends moved away again back to SC after only one Winter. I take SC to mean they were used to the weather of South Carolina. I have Nokian studded tires and have heard of a Norwegian breathing device for Winter excercise, so I won't quickly be stumped by Winter. Do you know if the bicycle ways are maintained in the Winter? Boulder's placement on that list is not merely hype, but well deserved. I'm glad to hear it. So, I'm back where I started. I'm resuming my plan immediate plan to drive to Boulder and check it out. Boulder even sounds better now than my impression (quite possibly false impression) of Davis, CA. (Warning: I've never been to Davis either. I'm just going by quite vague reading materials on Davis as well.) Besides the off road paths, I have found it easy to share the road with cars here. Wunderbar! Anyway, it's hype to me when we only read about platinum, gold, silver etc status and the good points meriting them and don't see anything written about the negative points, which in the case of Boulder negate the whole thing for me. Which negative points about Boulder? I've already repented, I plead. Bike paths go all over the place. There are on street bike lanes where there are no paths. The paths are maintained better than the roads (they are plowed clean by 7 or 8 am on snow days). Local drivers are very bike conscious. A Winter bicycle commuter's dream! Even much of Europe doesn't seem to do so well for Winter bicyclists. Actually, there aren't very many Winter German bicyclists. Germans near the Black Forest usually took up walking then. I got the negative points from a Boulder resident on another newsgroup. One person giving you bad advice and misinformation. Yup. Portland OR is usually high on the list as is Seattle. Davis CA is another. Minneapolis/St. Paul is pretty bike friendly and getting more so. It looks like there is a Eugene, Oregon that has separated paths through some natural areas, the swamp outside of town. That could be relaxing. Does it get you to work and back? You did say, "a bicycle friendly city." Yes. To go to work, I rode down hill out of a residential neighborhood to the park where I was immediately on bicycle/walking paths with covered wooden bridges over the Alb River and when I exited the park, I was on bicycle paths along the river behind industrial complexes, then on bicycle paths on part of the side walks, which were wide enough that pedestrians had their own space for walking and bus stop shelters. My work place was right next to a forest where I often enjoyed walking at lunch to benches to sit and listen to the birds and watch the butterflies or to a nearby Aldi's grocer or to nearby bottle shop for fruit or vegetable juice. Germany is a beautiful, safe, and convenient place to work compared to what I find here in LA or would likely find in most of America. http://www.nwsource.com/travel/scr/t....cfm?st=695230 Minneapolis/St. Paul was one of my earlier ideas, but I hadn't seen anything written before what you wrote about its bicycle friendliness. Is that where you live? What I like about that area is that those of scandinavian descent like myself tend to be low key. I've also heard that they are pretty outdoorsy there for a northern city. I hope you like a *long* *COLD* winter with lots of snow and ice. The summers are hot, too with high 90's temps and lots of humidity (and mosquitoes). I don't mind the cold, snow, and ice, but I don't care for mosquitos. What is it with mosquitos and regions that get snow? I hear Davis is a hippy town. Maybe there'd be too many bleeding heart opinions about minutia to have to suffer through there for my tastes, but I guess I'll never know without a trip there to get the atmoshere. I said that because people are losing rights to use their own damned land, wells, and animals, and our country is losing its sovereigty all because of the satanic globalist Earth worshippers. I'm more of a human rights and national sovereignty worshipper an Earth worshipper--thank you very much. I don't suffer fools with the other view gladly, because I believe the other view leads to evil global government. I drove through part of Portland a while back. A nice feel but too much traffic. I didn't notice any separated bicycle ways. I probably didn't do Portland justice, since I hadn't brought my bicycle to try to find any bicycle paths that would be out of sight the motorized ways. I didn't even look for a tourist information office. There was too much traffic, so all I wanted to do was get back no the freeway and escape it. You know, .... it sounds like you will have trouble finding anything to your liking. Good luck. Perhaps it would be best if you avoid being miserable in Boulder. And the battle for the sovereigty of the individual and the nations rages on. I do have one thing in common with you greenies though. I hate the car culture. |
Ads |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
On Mar 24, 6:13 pm, Dan wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote in news:timmcn- : Where would be a good source of information to locate a bicycle friendly US city? I want to commute to work on bicycle ways that are separated from the motor ways. I prefer commuting through countryside to commuting through suburbia. I had this when I was living in Germany, and now that I'm back in the USA, I miss it. Do I have to move back to Europe? There are lots of places that are pretty bike friendly. Try Googling "bicycle friendly cities" and see what you get. Several organizations do rankings along these lines. I got that far. These organizations are promoting a lot of what I would call hype in their zeal to get all the cities on board. An example of the hype is the situation in Boulder which I just learned is a heated and dangerous battle between too many cars and too many bikes. I have a picture of congestion, smog, and heated close calls. That sounds too much like the ugly situation in London for my tastes. Anyway, it's hype to me when we only read about platinum, gold, silver etc status and the good points meriting them and don't see anything written about the negative points, which in the case of Boulder negate the whole thing for me. I got the negative points from a Boulder resident on another newsgroup. BTW, Boulder has a gold rating. If the resident who responded is right and Boulder is a gold rating. shakes head I can't go by the articles on the sites with the Agenda 21 zeal. I need practical response from residents or people who have no interest in putting the bicycle friendly efforts in glowing terms. Portland OR is usually high on the list as is Seattle. Davis CA is another. Minneapolis/St. Paul is pretty bike friendly and getting more so. It looks like there is a Eugene, Oregon that has separated paths through some natural areas, the swamp outside of town. That could be relaxing. http://www.nwsource.com/travel/scr/t....cfm?st=695230 Minneapolis/St. Paul was one of my earlier ideas, but I hadn't seen anything written before what you wrote about its bicycle friendliness. Is that where you live? What I like about that area is that those of scandinavian descent like myself tend to be low key. I've also heard that they are pretty outdoorsy there for a northern city. I hear Davis is a hippy town. Maybe there'd be too many bleeding heart opinions about minutia to have to suffer through there for my tastes, but I guess I'll never know without a trip there to get the atmoshere. It seems to me that you're putting political, lifestyle, and bigoted criteria (people of Scandinavian descent are...WTF?) into your decision making process. Sounds to me like you're the one that's hard to please as there are a number of cities where riding bikes work out just fine. How about this... Hop on the bike, check out a whole bunch of cities, and write up a blog. Make sure to rate each city on your discriminatory...excuse me...discriminating criteria. That way people will hopefully be able to filter out your bias in a way that you are unable to filter out other people's biases. R |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
"RicodJour" wrote in
ups.com: On Mar 24, 6:13 pm, Dan wrote: Tim McNamara wrote in news:timmcn- : Where would be a good source of information to locate a bicycle friendly US city? I want to commute to work on bicycle ways that are separated from the motor ways. I prefer commuting through countryside to commuting through suburbia. I had this when I was living in Germany, and now that I'm back in the USA, I miss it. Do I have to move back to Europe? There are lots of places that are pretty bike friendly. Try Googling "bicycle friendly cities" and see what you get. Several organizations do rankings along these lines. I got that far. These organizations are promoting a lot of what I would call hype in their zeal to get all the cities on board. An example of the hype is the situation in Boulder which I just learned is a heated and dangerous battle between too many cars and too many bikes. I have a picture of congestion, smog, and heated close calls. That sounds too much like the ugly situation in London for my tastes. Anyway, it's hype to me when we only read about platinum, gold, silver etc status and the good points meriting them and don't see anything written about the negative points, which in the case of Boulder negate the whole thing for me. I got the negative points from a Boulder resident on another newsgroup. BTW, Boulder has a gold rating. If the resident who responded is right and Boulder is a gold rating. shakes head I can't go by the articles on the sites with the Agenda 21 zeal. I need practical response from residents or people who have no interest in putting the bicycle friendly efforts in glowing terms. Portland OR is usually high on the list as is Seattle. Davis CA is another. Minneapolis/St. Paul is pretty bike friendly and getting more so. It looks like there is a Eugene, Oregon that has separated paths through some natural areas, the swamp outside of town. That could be relaxing. http://www.nwsource.com/travel/scr/t....cfm?st=695230 Minneapolis/St. Paul was one of my earlier ideas, but I hadn't seen anything written before what you wrote about its bicycle friendliness. Is that where you live? What I like about that area is that those of scandinavian descent like myself tend to be low key. I've also heard that they are pretty outdoorsy there for a northern city. I hear Davis is a hippy town. Maybe there'd be too many bleeding heart opinions about minutia to have to suffer through there for my tastes, but I guess I'll never know without a trip there to get the atmoshere. It seems to me that you're putting political, lifestyle, Yes, I am. and bigoted No, bigoted is when you tear other people down. It is not when you state your own preference. I'm not the one saying that people are not allowed their preferences. You are the one that is saying that. Look. You just did it. You just said that I am not allowed to have my preference. criteria (people of Scandinavian descent are...WTF?) What's wrong with that? Scandinavians are even keel. The Italians would perhaps say about them, "Oh, those Scandinavians are icey. They have no *PASSION*. What boring people. Stone faced trolls." They can think that about me if they want, but apparently you don't allow them to. And to me, the Italians are hot blooded, jumping to a heated verbal fight for the fun of it, and aggressive players of chicken on the road. Again, I have the right to my impressions, if that's what I think. It's not, but if I did, it would my right. I like the Italians too, just fine. But when it comes to where I want to live and work, I'd probably live to a riper old age if I stayed with my even keeled kinsmen. Of course, the tendencies are just broad brush strokes that fail to take into acount the texture layed over them. There were certain ones of us Vikings who were total berserkers wielding an axe and a sword in battle with no thought to their life and limb. That doesn't seem even keel. So, on every broad brush stroke there can be texture. That's why I use the word 'tendency.' That makes what I'm saying useful instead of misleading. It's not my fault if you are intolerant of broad brush strokes described as 'tendency.' Here's another one for you. Women tend not to be even keeled. Are you going to fight me on that one too? Note the word, 'tend.' into your decision making process. shrug Nothing wrong with that. If I decide women are too skizoid for me, I can be gay, can't I? Isn't that what you liberals preach? I'm not gay, but I've seen their tendencies. They tend to fantisize about men instead of women. Are you saying tendencies don't exist? What happened to free speech? Free thought? Orwell was right. This world is rampant with corporate wars, double think, new speak, and thought police. Who put you in charge? Komrad Marx? You are supressing reality, dude. Sounds to me like you're the one that's hard to please as there are a number of cities where riding bikes work out just fine. I'm not hard to please. I just want a laid back background for my life without short fuses going off all around me all of the time--like your short fuse. How about this... Hop on the bike, check out a whole bunch of cities, and write up a blog. Thanks for the invitation. Are you saying you like my writing style? Make sure to rate each city on your discriminatory...excuse me...discriminating criteria. OK. I have no problem with that. I am discriminating. That's a good attribute. I admit it. Everyone should do it and admit to it. Now discriminating is a different thing from bigotry. Bigotry is what you are doing. You are attacking me for the way I am. That way people will hopefully be able to filter out your bias in a way that you are unable to filter out other people's biases. And they should. That's called discrimination. They should discriminate what I'm saying. |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
On Mar 26, 5:24 pm, Dan wrote:
I apologize. I hadn't realized you were just a lost soul looking for someone to listen and a place to live. And little idea about how to achieve either. Good luck with it. R |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
"RicodJour" wrote in
oups.com: I apologize. You can't feel that way, if you immediately follow it with an offense. I hadn't realized you were just a lost soul looking for someone to listen and a place to live. That's personal and since it is public, it is slander. What I did was to put tendencies on groups. I didn't attack a particular person in public. And little idea about how to achieve either. I already achieved it. I gave my life to Jesus Christ. He is the god that saves lost sheep. According to scripture, if you don't know you are lost, He doesn't save you. You have to know you are lost and you have to know that He is the only savior, or He doesn't save you. Good luck with it. Luck is an anonomous bribe from the seducing spirits sent by Lucifer/Satan. I always refuse luck. I only accept blessings my lord, but they won't be Trojan Horses. But if luck is your stock and trade, then good luck figuring out how to sneak into heaven, because the scriptures show it impossible for thieves to steal their way in without using the door. Jesus Christ is the only door to heaven. |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
On 2007-03-25, Dan wrote:
I said that because people are losing rights to use their own damned land, wells, and animals, and our country is losing its sovereigty all because of the satanic globalist Earth worshippers. I'm more of a human rights and national sovereignty worshipper an Earth worshipper--thank you very much. I don't suffer fools with the other view gladly, because I believe the other view leads to evil global government. [snip] And the battle for the sovereigty of the individual and the nations rages on. I do have one thing in common with you greenies though. I hate the car culture. Pardon my intrusion, but you /almost/ sound Republican. Almost. If that's the case, and if you really can't stand left-coast liberal tendencies, I'll toss out an off-the-wall choice for you. Grand Rapids, MI. You won't find it on the major bicycle-friendly cities list, but I spent 24 years of my life there, and it's not a bad town to bike around. The hills on the Grand River downtown are definitely challenging (but a blast to bomb down), and you'll need to like snow (GR is downwind of Lake Michigan, so it gets a lot), but it's pretty compact for a city of 200K, and is mostly built on a classic grid, leaving lots of alternate routes that stay out of traffic. It's also in the heart of one of the more conservative areas of the country. It's the boyhood home (and last resting place) of Gerald Ford. It's very much a "family values" kind of place, if that's what you're looking for; not fire-and-brimstone, but it's certainly no Babylon. This is definitely Red State country, though the politicos tend toward the moderate side, a la Ford. It doesn't have a lot of off-road paths, and no Fussgaengerzonen (unless the city changes its mind and makes Monroe Center a mall again), but it might just be your cup of tea [1]. It's even got a couple token "funky" neighbor- hoods, just to round things out (I'm an Easttown kinda guy myself, but I'm biased; I grew up near there. [1] It wasn't my cup of tea, which is part of why I now live near Chicago, and don't get back to GR very often, even though my dad still lives there. -- __o Kristian Zoerhoff _'\(,_ (_)/ (_) |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote in
: I said that because people are losing rights to use their own damned land, wells, and animals, and our country is losing its sovereigty all because of the satanic globalist Earth worshippers. I'm more of a human rights and national sovereignty worshipper an Earth worshipper--thank you very much. I don't suffer fools with the other view gladly, because I believe the other view leads to evil global government. [snip] And the battle for the sovereigty of the individual and the nations rages on. I do have one thing in common with you greenies though. I hate the car culture. Pardon my intrusion, but you /almost/ sound Republican. Almost. Maybe what 'Republican' used to mean. Today, both major parties act against the US Constitution. They are two sock puppets on two hands of globalists. European globalists act in this country through the Council on Foreign Relations, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and the two major parties. Therefore, I usually vote according to the Consitutional Party, unless a similar party has a clearly better chance of winning. If that's the case, and if you really can't stand left-coast liberal tendencies, I'll toss out an off-the-wall choice for you. I can stand them, it's just that I don't want to live in a 'stoney' mission field. That's an allusion to the parable of the sower. Grand Rapids, MI. You won't find it on the major bicycle-friendly cities list, but I spent 24 years of my life there, and it's not a bad town to bike around. The hills on the Grand River downtown are definitely challenging (but a blast to bomb down), and you'll need to like snow (GR is downwind of Lake Michigan, so it gets a lot), but it's pretty compact for a city of 200K, and is mostly built on a classic grid, leaving lots of alternate routes that stay out of traffic. It's also in the heart of one of the more conservative areas of the country. It's the boyhood home (and last resting place) of Gerald Ford. It's very much a "family values" kind of place, if that's what you're looking for; not fire-and-brimstone, but it's certainly no Babylon. This is definitely Red State country, though the politicos tend toward the moderate side, a la Ford. Thanks. Sounds good. I'll look into it. I could make disciples there. That what churches are supposed to do, but most of them aren't doing. It doesn't have a lot of off-road paths, and no Fussgaengerzonen You know a little German or more. :-) (unless the city changes its mind and makes Monroe Center a mall again), but it might just be your cup of tea [1]. It's even got a couple token "funky" neighbor- hoods, just to round things out (I'm an Easttown kinda guy myself, but I'm biased; I grew up near there. The mission field? LOL. [1] It wasn't my cup of tea, which is part of why I now live near Chicago, and don't get back to GR very often, even though my dad still lives there. How did you see it. Stuffy religion without being salt and light? That's one of the possibilities when it comes to religious tradition in this country. That's not one of the better mission fields. A lot of Europe has that kind of religion without the salt and light. If that's the case in Grand Rapids, then I wouldn't be too interested in that kind of conservatism. I think I would prefer a liberal area, if it is not to regimented, to the stuffy kind of conservatism. I might make a business out of tutoring students in a university town for the opportunity to sow the seeds of the good news of Jesus Christ. I would take a teaching position, but then school may exert control over me against witnessing by threatening my position. This is not your father's America. g An events watcher guest on Coast to Coast AM just now said that it looks to him like we are going to have an agressive military draft soon. I hate to see Americans being forced to fight in Orwellian corporate wars. He described a situation where the draft could be taken to civilian companies and they'd just draft everyone in a civilian company. That's hard to believe, but today anything seems possible. So, as you can see, I'm not a modern Republican. |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
On 2007-03-27, Dan wrote:
Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote in : Pardon my intrusion, but you /almost/ sound Republican. Almost. Maybe what 'Republican' used to mean. Today, both major parties act against the US Constitution. They are two sock puppets on two hands of globalists. European globalists act in this country through the Council on Foreign Relations, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and the two major parties. Therefore, I usually vote according to the Consitutional Party, unless a similar party has a clearly better chance of winning. I sense that you and I would not do well if locked in a small room together for a long period of time :-) That's OK, though, this is a bike group, not a politics group. If that's the case, and if you really can't stand left-coast liberal tendencies, I'll toss out an off-the-wall choice for you. I can stand them, it's just that I don't want to live in a 'stoney' mission field. That's an allusion to the parable of the sower. I know it well. It doesn't have a lot of off-road paths, and no Fussgaengerzonen You know a little German or more. :-) Nur ein bisschen. 5 years' worth in high school and college, but it's faded away, sadly. Doesn't help that I've only been to Deutschland once in the 10 years I've been out of school now. (unless the city changes its mind and makes Monroe Center a mall again), but it might just be your cup of tea [1]. It's even got a couple token "funky" neighbor- hoods, just to round things out (I'm an Easttown kinda guy myself, but I'm biased; I grew up near there. The mission field? LOL. Perhaps. If not, there used to be a killer Lebanese grocery and deli there. I think they were on Wealthy St, just west of Lake St. My favorite bar (Mulligan's) was over there, too, next to the Intersection bar (which moved, last I heard, all the way downtown). If I had to move back to GR, I'd opt for that area, or just to the east, in East Grand Rapids. There's more conventional shopping just down Wealthy in downtown East GR (Gaslight Village), and the ride around Reeds Lake was a summer tradition for my sister and I for years. Dang, now I'm gettin' all nostalgic and stuff. [1] It wasn't my cup of tea, which is part of why I now live near Chicago, and don't get back to GR very often, even though my dad still lives there. How did you see it. Stuffy religion without being salt and light? That's one of the possibilities when it comes to religious tradition in this country. That's not one of the better mission fields. Stuffy, but remember the old saw: Familiarity breeds contempt. So, as you can see, I'm not a modern Republican. Definitely not. Good luck in your search. May you find an abode that suits you. -- __o Kristian Zoerhoff _'\(,_ (_)/ (_) |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote in
t: Pardon my intrusion, but you /almost/ sound Republican. Almost. Maybe what 'Republican' used to mean. Today, both major parties act against the US Constitution. They are two sock puppets on two hands of globalists. European globalists act in this country through the Council on Foreign Relations, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and the two major parties. Therefore, I usually vote according to the Consitutional Party, unless a similar party has a clearly better chance of winning. I sense that you and I would not do well if locked in a small room together for a long period of time :-) That's OK, though, this is a bike group, not a politics group. By the way. Germany just about killed me while I was doing a Rhine tour from Amsterdam to the Rhine Falls. I saw first hand how Germany treats victims of violent crime. This treatment tuned me into the consiracies of modern society. A German hunter had shot me off my bicycle near BASF just outside Ludwigshafen, Germany. The hunter's insurance was a big insurance conglomerate, an alliance of a half dozen cities. His insurance cheated me out of 7 years of my life while I learned about long tentacled insurance conspiracies against victims. This point in my life is also when I first learned how the different facets of societies prey financially on victims like sharks in a feeding frenzy at a time in the life of a person when he is at his weakest physically and financially. My education in conspiracy fact went on from that bicycling misadventure, but I didn't bicycle long distances as much after that. If that's the case, and if you really can't stand left-coast liberal tendencies, I'll toss out an off-the-wall choice for you. I can stand them, it's just that I don't want to live in a 'stoney' mission field. That's an allusion to the parable of the sower. I know it well. Did you have lightless, saltless religion pushed down your throat? I didn't. My parents are pretty much hostile to Christ. It doesn't have a lot of off-road paths, and no Fussgaengerzonen You know a little German or more. :-) Nur ein bisschen. 5 years' worth in high school and college, but it's faded away, sadly. Doesn't help that I've only been to Deutschland once in the 10 years I've been out of school now. I only studied German one semester in University, but my highschool language was French--three years. In any case, they don't really speak French or German on the streets as Americans learn it in school. Germans can have a lot of trouble understanding Germans from a different region or a different generation for that matter. g (unless the city changes its mind and makes Monroe Center a mall again), but it might just be your cup of tea [1]. It's even got a couple token "funky" neighbor- hoods, just to round things out (I'm an Easttown kinda guy myself, but I'm biased; I grew up near there. The mission field? LOL. Perhaps. If not, there used to be a killer Lebanese grocery and deli I have always preferred the way mediterannean traditions treat food to the industrialized Western ways. there. I think they were on Wealthy St, just west of Lake St. My favorite bar (Mulligan's) was over there, too, next to the Sounds like an Irish bar. If so, I could understand why. They'd have some of the best beers available in US America. :-) When I was in Germany, all of the beers were good, so I didn't need to go to the Irish pubs so often. An owner of a German Irish pub told me the Irish beers are actually brewed in Belgium. I had asked because I was wondering if the Irish fluoridated water would be used in making the Irish beers. Belgium water isn't fluoridated, so I was safe. I don't know where US America destination Irish beers would be made. Intersection bar (which moved, last I heard, all the way downtown). And these are the little things. Much bigger things are changing so much all over the country, even though they tend to be grossly underplayed in the media. If I had to move back to GR, I'd opt for that area, or just to the east, in East Grand Rapids. There's more conventional shopping just down Wealthy in downtown East GR (Gaslight Village), and the ride around Reeds Lake was a summer tradition for my sister and I for years. I wish my brother and I had had a more natural setting to grow up in. I don't think the suburbs are as good for children as they are cracked up to be. It's all houses, fences, parental strife, and impatient cars trying to blitz out of the sprawl toward the workplace and the cultural centers. Dang, now I'm gettin' all nostalgic and stuff. Where I grew up, the the traffic has become unbearable. Which seems worse having just returned from Germany. I'm too spoiled by German bicycle commutes to hassle LA stop and go freeway commutes now. [1] It wasn't my cup of tea, which is part of why I now live near Chicago, and don't get back to GR very often, even though my dad still lives there. How did you see it. Stuffy religion without being salt and light? That's one of the possibilities when it comes to religious tradition in this country. That's not one of the better mission fields. Stuffy, but remember the old saw: Familiarity breeds contempt. And, similar: No one is a prophet in his own town. Anyway, familiar surroundings can make one stuck in the early socialization, which these days it is often far better to outgrow. So, as you can see, I'm not a modern Republican. Definitely not. Good luck in your search. May you find an abode that suits you. Thanks to both. :-) I found a city-facts web site with discussions. People are getting some interesting questions answered there in a thorough way. Looks promising. The question I'll pose there will include more of my criteria than just bicycle friendliness--stuff like a location having not yet seen a real estate boom. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Bicycle Friendly Cities
Latest issue of the magazine published by L.A.W./B. is an anthem to
the Bicycle Friendly Cities campaign. Funny, I used to live in one of them (for about 15 years). Nowhere does the squib mention that the position of city bicycle coordinator, formerly slotted in the Traffic dept, was moved to Parks, then swapped out for Golf Course Director. The BC position itself became part-time and minimum wage. Not too long ago it became a student internship revolving door, with the incumbent interviewing potential replacements. But said jurisdiction sure has some nice bike lanes. HTH --Karen D. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Are there any states, counties, or cities in the USA where bicycle helmets are mandatory? | Smokey | Techniques | 117 | August 26th 06 08:39 PM |
Bike-friendly cities? | cfsmtb | Australia | 8 | July 31st 06 12:23 AM |
Bicycle friendly facilities | sinus | Australia | 17 | February 10th 06 03:04 AM |
Is Sydney Bicycle Friendly?? | cfsmtb | Australia | 2 | August 30th 05 08:58 AM |
Google "bicycle friendly cities" | Ken | General | 13 | June 8th 05 08:49 PM |