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Old June 17th 04, 06:48 AM
Frank Krygowski
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patrick wrote:

I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back,
but I figured some of you might actually want to read
real research.


There has been plenty of "real research" cited on this topic.

For example, you might visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org and track down
some of the cited articles. Regarding the effect of helmet use on
fatalities, you can visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1012 and
see citations at the page bottom.

Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots of
citations listed there, too.

Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point
you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute",
www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to make
it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time without a
helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports
carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups."

Be aware that there is _very_ serious discussion taking place in many
scholarly publications regarding the effectiveness of helmets. In
general, we seem to have the public (under the influence of heavy
promotion) believing that helmets are a godsend. Meanwhile, competent
statisticians who examine the actual data are much, much more skeptical
of both the supposed benefit, and the supposed need.

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Old June 17th 04, 07:09 AM
Bill Z.
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Frank Krygowski writes:


Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots
of citations listed there, too.


This site (at least, the so-called "Helmet FAQ") was created by a rabid
anti-helmet person who would spew continued personal abuse at anyone
who disagreed with him in the slightest. You should note Krygowski's
tactics. He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
disparages it.

Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point
you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute",
www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to
make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time
without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute
supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age
groups."


Randy's site is not "rabid," even if you don't agree with everything
he says (or anything he says, for that matter.)

Bill

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Old June 17th 04, 08:33 PM
Tim McNamara
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(Bill Z.) writes:

You should note Krygowski's tactics.


Yours are exactly the same tactics. Hmmm.
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Old June 18th 04, 07:44 AM
Bill Z.
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Tim McNamara writes:

(Bill Z.) writes:

You should note Krygowski's tactics.


Yours are exactly the same tactics. Hmmm.


Liar.

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Old June 18th 04, 06:52 PM
Tim McNamara
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(Bill Z.) writes:

Tim McNamara writes:

(Bill Z.) writes:

You should note Krygowski's tactics.


Yours are exactly the same tactics. Hmmm.


Liar.


Read your own post.
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Old June 17th 04, 10:08 PM
Just zis Guy, you know?
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, (Bill Z.)
wrote in message :

He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately
disparages it.


No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging.

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Old June 22nd 04, 06:46 AM
Bill Z.
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"Tom Kunich" writes:

From last string of messages from Kunich:

Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. ..


Kunich is reverting to form. When he sees the word "helmet," he
goes competely irrational and starts to become abusive. If you
want to see how abusive this jerk can be, check out the following
URL, where he'll tell you in his own words:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=_PXb9.10094%24N%254.819675%40newsread2.prod .itd.earthlink.net.

Kunich has posted repeated lies about me, with post after post of
childish insults, all due to his helmet hangup. He is simply not
credible on this subject.

Next message:

Just like a dozen years ago, you simply make things up as you go.
That doesn't surprise me at all. You also seem eager to avoid believing
strong evidence that is contrary to your agenda.


More lies from Kunich.

That's because you never looked. The fact that there was a super dramatic
drop in children's bicycle sales didn't seem to garner any attention from
you either.


He means they saturated the market with one type of bike and a new
style wasn't out yet, so some random person Kunich talked to blamed
the helmets, assuming Kunich didn't maket he whole thing up. Basically
he talked to a shop owner who was mad that business had dropped off
for some reason. Like many people upset about a loss of income, the
guy probably needed something to blame, and picked the first convenient
target.

Bill

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