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Safety inflation
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:52:21 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:33 +0700, John B. wrote: We get as lot of it here as most major roads in Bangkok are divided highways with long distances between "U" turn openings so it is either 2 km that-a-way to a U turn and the same distance back or just scoot down the wrong side of the road two blocks to your street. I think that what you actually have there is a divided highway with a two-way bike path on each shoulder. Legally "no" but in reality "yes" :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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Safety inflation
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 5:26:51 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/14/2021 5:08 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/14/2021 2:05 PM, jbeattie wrote: And where do you find these dopes? By the time people get to the club or group ride level, they generally have a fundamental understanding of the traffic laws -- and if they don't, they generally understand that they should follow the other riders. Do you actually have participants riding on the other side of the road? No, Jay, you're confused. I never said the people riding wrong way were members of our club. Our members know at least that much, although some need to learn some details. (There are always new folks joining.) I've found the wrong-way dopes riding on my street, riding in upscale residential neighborhoods near me, riding on residential collectors a mile or two away, riding on the main streets in the city center, riding the roads in the big metropark, riding near the university, riding on suburban shopping arterials - you name it. And it's not just my area. I remember riding a solo century in middle Pennsylvania and having to deal with a wrong-way rider coming at me on a busy road. I said "You're on the wrong side of the road!" so he chewed me out. Especially ironic was the group of about five middle aged guys riding in an upscale neighborhood near me at night. All five riding wrong way, not a headlight among them. But they knew about safety! They all had helmets! I see tons of cyclists every day, well at least I did before the plague, and the only people riding on the wrong side of the road were homeless or DUII cyclists on BMX bikes -- or just assholes, like the guy headed straight at me doing a wheelie. I can't remember the last wrong-way cyclist who didn't fit into one of those categories. Maybe Ohio needs better driver's training. I'm sure Ohio needs better training of both drivers and cyclists. But if you claim the only salmon riders you've seen really were smelly sub human types (am I putting words in your mouth?) I think you're forgetting more than a few. The behavior isn't seen every day, but it's common enough to have its own nickname. True story: The last salmon rider I saw was out my window about two or three days ago. She was a middle aged woman in normal clothes, not cycling clothes. She was riding an upright handlebar "comfort bike", heading south on my street, then turning left into the street that forms a T intersection and continued on the left until she was out of sight. Given our community, she was probably middle to upper class. Do you live on a divided street? On parts of my rides, you just have to decide where the other lane is. Totally O.T., but I was riding this evening, doing a spin through the hills before dinner, and I passed two twenty-something women while climbing up a road, and they started clapping and cheering me on. All they needed were some cow bells. I probably reminded them of their wheezing old fathers. He https://tinyurl.com/tnjmp6 Spin around and go up that hill. Lower down, its just a chute. https://tinyurl.com/pjjad5hn I just squeeze between the parked cars and the descending cars. Any place is lane center. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 4/15/2021 1:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 5:26:51 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/14/2021 5:08 PM, jbeattie wrote: I see tons of cyclists every day, well at least I did before the plague, and the only people riding on the wrong side of the road were homeless or DUII cyclists on BMX bikes -- or just assholes, like the guy headed straight at me doing a wheelie. I can't remember the last wrong-way cyclist who didn't fit into one of those categories. Maybe Ohio needs better driver's training. I'm sure Ohio needs better training of both drivers and cyclists. But if you claim the only salmon riders you've seen really were smelly sub human types (am I putting words in your mouth?) I think you're forgetting more than a few. The behavior isn't seen every day, but it's common enough to have its own nickname. True story: The last salmon rider I saw was out my window about two or three days ago. She was a middle aged woman in normal clothes, not cycling clothes. She was riding an upright handlebar "comfort bike", heading south on my street, then turning left into the street that forms a T intersection and continued on the left until she was out of sight. Given our community, she was probably middle to upper class. Do you live on a divided street? On parts of my rides, you just have to decide where the other lane is. My street is not divided. It's 18 feet wide, IIRC, with no lane lines or sidewalks. The woman I described was riding within about a foot of the left edge of the asphalt. No cars came by while she was in view, but if one had, it would certainly have gone around her on her right. Totally O.T., but... snipped -- - Frank Krygowski |
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