300 miles of secret cycle paths have been discovered

On 20/05/2017 12:27, MrCheerful wrote:
On 20/05/2017 12:15, JNugent wrote:
On 20/05/2017 11:47, Paul Cummins wrote:

(James Wilkinson Sword) wrote:

It's road tax, car tax, whatever, they're just names for the same
thing.

No, Car Tax is the additional tax you pay when you buy a new car.

I am glad to be able to advise you that Car Tax (the successor to
Purchase Tax, and insituted in 1973 because the Treasury could not bear
to lose the greater proceeds of that tax wheb PT was otherwise replaced
by VAT) was abolished in the early 1990s (under John Major).

Motor cars are now subject "only" to VAT on purchase as new vehicles.

Commercial vehicles are subject to VAT when sold new and when sold
secondhand.

Happy to help.

There is also a first year premium to be paid in addition to road tax,
presumably to try and discourage sales, or just gouge the cash cow
motorist even further.

True, but that is a very new provision and in any case, is not Car Tax
(as was).

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Why is Road Tax not charged on vehicles which are neither kept nor
used on the road?

Because there is no such thing as road tax.

It's an easy question to answer, but you dare not answer it.

I keep answering it, but you keep ignoring the facts.

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In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

I am glad to be able to advise you that Car Tax (the successor to
Purchase Tax, and insituted in 1973 because the Treasury could not
bear to lose the greater proceeds of that tax wheb PT was otherwise
replaced by VAT) was abolished in the early 1990s (under John
Major).

I'm pleased to inform you, by the same standard, that Road Tax was
abolished in 1937.

"I Pay Road Tax" claimants can't have it both ways.

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On 20/05/2017 13:57, Paul Cummins wrote:

(JNugent) wrote:

I am glad to be able to advise you that Car Tax (the successor to
Purchase Tax, and insituted in 1973 because the Treasury could not
bear to lose the greater proceeds of that tax wheb PT was otherwise
replaced by VAT) was abolished in the early 1990s (under John
Major).

I'm pleased to inform you, by the same standard, that Road Tax was
abolished in 1937.

You are absolutely wrong (again).

Car Tax (strictly: Special Car Tax, though you referred to it as simply
"Car Tax") was abolished, as I described above. It is no longer charged
or paid.

Road Tax was *not* abolished. It merely had its name changed. It is
still charged and paid.

"I Pay Road Tax" claimants can't have it both ways.

Which "two ways" would that be?

Road Tax still exists. Whether you wish to bow to the PC newer names for
it is up to you.

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Road Tax was *not* abolished.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438

The BBC is wrong too?

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On 20/05/2017 15:09, Paul Cummins wrote:

(JNugent) wrote:

Road Tax was *not* abolished [it was simply re-named]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438

The BBC is wrong too?

It doesn't matter what the BBC or anyone else says, renaming something
is not the same thing as abolishing it. Road Tax has never been abolished.

[As a pure aside, I hope you aren't claiming that the BBC is somehow
infallible.]

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Road Tax has never been abolished.

You assert this, so you prove it.

Find me a Finance Act within the last 5 years that refers to "Road Tax"
explicitely as that.

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On 20/05/2017 15:37, Paul Cummins wrote:

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

Road Tax has never been abolished.

You assert this, so you prove it.

Find me a Finance Act within the last 5 years that refers to "Road Tax"
explicitely as that.

How would that help?

I have already explained to you - patiently - that Road Tax was not
abolished in the 1930s as you and certain other ha... er... sorry,
posters... have frequently claimed.

It sinply had its name changed and was not abolished.

Why do you imagine that a tax which had its official name changed would
still be referred to under the older name?

On Sat, 20 May 2017 00:15:00 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 19/05/2017 21:34, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2017 01:28:17 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 18/05/2017 15:42, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2017 11:30:14 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 18/05/2017 10:58, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2017 10:55:18 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 18/05/2017 10:29, Bod wrote:
On 18/05/2017 10:25, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2017 10:17:00 +0100, Paul Cummins
wrote:

In article ,
(James
Wilkinson Sword) wrote:

Cyclists sponge of motorists as they pay no road tax and no fuel
duty.

That's because, as you have been told again and again, there is no
such
thing as Road Tax.

It's called road tax, just like a vacuum cleaner is called a
hoover. I
don't ce if the government allocates it somewhere else like nuclear
weapons, it's still road tax.

If there was such thing as Road Tax, *everything* that uses the
*Road*
would have to pay the *Tax*.

and I say this a a car driver.

Everything does, according to the wear it causes. Cars pay some,
lorries pay a lot.

And many cars pay no car tax at all.

AAMOF, no cars pay road tax.

Have you become a cyclist or contracted OCD? It's road tax, everybody
calls it that. It's a tax vehicles pay to use the road.

No vehicles pay tax of any sort.

Tax is anything given to the government. Council tax, VAT, income tax,
road tax, etc, etc.

No vehicles give, donate or pay any tax.

This is not controversial.

Then what is the £200 a year I pay for my Renault?

You pay?

Or your Renault pays?

Make your mind up.

Why have you stooped to the childish pedantry of the psycholists in here?

If you crashed into a pedestrian, and the victim was telling the policeman that your car ran her over, would you seriously object and say, no I ran her over, my car couldn't do that by itself?

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On 17/05/17 02:03, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 1:10:16 AM UTC+1, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2017 01:01:34 +0100,

Call it what you like it's not road tax.

It's a tax, it pays for the roads, it's a road tax.

Technically it's '60% of the motorway maintenance budget tax', the
rest of the motorway maintenance and all new motorways are paid for
by high rate tax payers i.e. cyclists mainly.

It's not even that much. Some of the money received through VED comes
from recycled benefits and some comes from business users claiming it as
an expense to reduce other taxes.