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"A Comparative Study of Impacts to Mountain Bike Trails in Five Common Ecological Regions of the Southwestern U.S."
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message news On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:55:28 +1000, stevemtbsteve wrote: [Edward Dolan wrote:] 'It is very strange to me that bikers can't seem to realize how they destroy the wilderness experience for us hikers.' Nice, based on the view of one, believing themself to be so important as to speak on behalf of all 'us hikers'. As a biker, hiker and park ranger, I would have to say respect for your fellow trail user is the way forward. At least MV and the other guys here are attempting an arguement, based on reason (most/ some of the time). Diving in with a cheap shot about one group of trail users you don't like, and proclaiming to speak on behalf of another group, dosen't add much to the debate. Spoken like a true anthropocentrist. Such people actually think that they are making sense when they claim that we should all just "get along". The problem isn't the presence of people; it's the BIKES, and their impact on people and wildlife. Human compromises always end up harming wildlife, who aren't given a voice. Without their bikes, mountain bikers are indistinguishable from other people. Once on a bike, they start feeling that everyone else should get out of their way and let them rip up nature. It's like when people get behind the wheel of a car: they turn into a different person. And it's not a pretty picture. You forgot about the part of your job that requires you to protect wildlife and the natural environment. Shame on you. It is hard to believe that a park ranger could have written the above rubbish. The most critical component of this whole debate for me is that it is not possible for hikers and bikers to share the same trails. It is an incompatible use. The park ranger needs to be taken to the woodshed for a good sound whipping to get his head screwed on straight. Why can't we all just get along - indeed! Mr. Vandeman's arguments on trail impact and wildlife impact do not get to the heart of the issue for me - which is the utter incompatibility of bikers and hikers using the same trails. The park ranger would like to discuss Mr. Vandeman's issues and not mine because he knows my issue directly effects his job as to how to manage the trails. We need park rangers like him like we need an extra hole in our heads. Like Mr. Vandeman said, shame on you! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"A Comparative Study of Impacts to Mountain Bike Trails in Five Common Ecological Regions of the Southwestern U.S."
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:46:11 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message news On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:55:28 +1000, stevemtbsteve wrote: [Edward Dolan wrote:] 'It is very strange to me that bikers can't seem to realize how they destroy the wilderness experience for us hikers.' Nice, based on the view of one, believing themself to be so important as to speak on behalf of all 'us hikers'. As a biker, hiker and park ranger, I would have to say respect for your fellow trail user is the way forward. At least MV and the other guys here are attempting an arguement, based on reason (most/ some of the time). Diving in with a cheap shot about one group of trail users you don't like, and proclaiming to speak on behalf of another group, dosen't add much to the debate. Spoken like a true anthropocentrist. Such people actually think that they are making sense when they claim that we should all just "get along". The problem isn't the presence of people; it's the BIKES, and their impact on people and wildlife. Human compromises always end up harming wildlife, who aren't given a voice. Without their bikes, mountain bikers are indistinguishable from other people. Once on a bike, they start feeling that everyone else should get out of their way and let them rip up nature. It's like when people get behind the wheel of a car: they turn into a different person. And it's not a pretty picture. You forgot about the part of your job that requires you to protect wildlife and the natural environment. Shame on you. It is hard to believe that a park ranger could have written the above rubbish. The most critical component of this whole debate for me is that it is not possible for hikers and bikers to share the same trails. It is an incompatible use. The park ranger needs to be taken to the woodshed for a good sound whipping to get his head screwed on straight. Why can't we all just get along - indeed! Mr. Vandeman's arguments on trail impact and wildlife impact do not get to the heart of the issue for me - which is the utter incompatibility of bikers and hikers using the same trails. The park ranger would like to discuss Mr. Vandeman's issues and not mine because he knows my issue directly effects his job as to how to manage the trails. We need park rangers like him like we need an extra hole in our heads. Must be a park DE-ranger. I'm sure someone dropped a couple of letters somewhere. Like Mr. Vandeman said, shame on you! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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