This is a seriously hard sport to get into...

I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.


It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?


WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?


c'mon


-Bob

It's not so bad to think that riders and professional athletes dope
(that's almost expected if it gives results and is usually
undetectable). What's unfortunate is that they or their teams can't
lay off the stuff at a time when there is such tremendous scrutiny on
the sport. Would have been so much better (for Astana and for the
sport) if Vino crashed, tanked and then dropped out rather the testing
positive. Apparently the Kazak minister of the interior was on the
Tour this week talking about a 10 year renewal of the team
sponsorship? Ambitious plan for a team with three high profile
positive tests in less than aeyar of existence.

Relatedly, no Kloeden, so Levi can't be too sad about this.

Hell and High Water wrote:

I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.


It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?


WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?

Maybe we, the fans, need to adopt a new mindset. Doping is a fact of life,
getting rid of it will be like banning handguns or nuclear disarmament, a
good idea in theory and probably beneficial in the long run but completely
infeasible due to human nature. What does it matter really, if they are
doped to the gills or clean? Most male porn stars are Viagra-fueled
nowadays, does that ruin the fun of porn for you?

As near as I can tell, Vinokourov is self-centered and *has* to win, of
course he would cheat to do so. To expect he wouldn't is nearly
delusional. What I would like to know is which rider on Astana would also
test positive for homologous transfusion. Gotta be someone, which is why
they withdrew.

--
Bill Asher

On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water
wrote:
I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.

It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?

WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?

c'mon

-Bob

Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs
and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly
belonged only to cyclists.

Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed?

In other news, the Tour de Toona is in progress:
http://www.tourdetoona.com/results/single/12.htm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?...ona07/toona071

-bdbafh

Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs
and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly
belonged only to cyclists.

I don't think it's even about doping any more, or recognizing that
cyclists and pro atheltes dope.

I think that is a given.

It is more about publicity. I.e. don't dope with methods that are
more and more easily detected (epo, blood doping), during the most
important race in the world, at a time when everyone's talking about
doping, and when two athletes from your team have already returned
high profile, positive tests.

On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote:
On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water
wrote:

I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.

It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?

WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?

c'mon

-Bob

Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs
and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly
belonged only to cyclists.

Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed?



Dumbass -


I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Jul 24, 1:10 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote:

Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs
and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly
belonged only to cyclists.

Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed?

I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean.

Sure, if you consider vomiting on yourself clean.

I'd read that there were allegations that the speed eaters sprayed
digestive enzymes in their mouths prior to gurgitating to speed up the
food breakdown. If you're eating the buns, it makes sense, and when
you can win twenty THOUSAND dollars for winning the sport's most
famous event, there's obviously a financial incentive.

R

On Jul 24, 10:24 am, Hell and High Water
wrote:
I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.

It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?

WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?

Sure - if they don't care about GC - they can race clean.

Personally, I could care less what the **** they are on. Whatever the
result from this for Vino - I still think he's a fantastic pro
cyclist. What I shutter to think about is what this will do to a
sport that is already suffering from all this dope bull****. Ouch!
--
Marty

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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote:
On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water
wrote:

I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing.

It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test.

Vino now?

WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY?

c'mon

-Bob

Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs
and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly
belonged only to cyclists.

Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed?



Dumbass -


I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean.

Eating speed is by definition doping.

--
Michael Press

Personally, I could care less what the **** they are on. Whatever the
result from this for Vino - I still think he's a fantastic pro
cyclist. What I shutter to think about is what this will do to a
sport that is already suffering from all this dope bull****. Ouch!
--
Marty


I feel the same why, I could care less if there on something. There all on
something so get over it, doping in sports has been around for a long time
and will be around if it's cycling or football. I'm getting sick of every
other week more doping bull****. If the uci keeps this up, sponsors will
leave and new sponsors won't want to come because it's not something that a
high dollar company wants to be associated with. Also if the uci and the
tour are so against doping why is Zabel still racing after telling all?