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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle
racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? c'mon -Bob |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
It's not so bad to think that riders and professional athletes dope
(that's almost expected if it gives results and is usually undetectable). What's unfortunate is that they or their teams can't lay off the stuff at a time when there is such tremendous scrutiny on the sport. Would have been so much better (for Astana and for the sport) if Vino crashed, tanked and then dropped out rather the testing positive. Apparently the Kazak minister of the interior was on the Tour this week talking about a 10 year renewal of the team sponsorship? Ambitious plan for a team with three high profile positive tests in less than aeyar of existence. Relatedly, no Kloeden, so Levi can't be too sad about this. |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
Hell and High Water wrote:
I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? Maybe we, the fans, need to adopt a new mindset. Doping is a fact of life, getting rid of it will be like banning handguns or nuclear disarmament, a good idea in theory and probably beneficial in the long run but completely infeasible due to human nature. What does it matter really, if they are doped to the gills or clean? Most male porn stars are Viagra-fueled nowadays, does that ruin the fun of porn for you? As near as I can tell, Vinokourov is self-centered and *has* to win, of course he would cheat to do so. To expect he wouldn't is nearly delusional. What I would like to know is which rider on Astana would also test positive for homologous transfusion. Gotta be someone, which is why they withdrew. -- Bill Asher |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water
wrote: I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? c'mon -Bob Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly belonged only to cyclists. Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed? In other news, the Tour de Toona is in progress: http://www.tourdetoona.com/results/single/12.htm http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?...ona07/toona071 -bdbafh |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA
Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly belonged only to cyclists. I don't think it's even about doping any more, or recognizing that cyclists and pro atheltes dope. I think that is a given. It is more about publicity. I.e. don't dope with methods that are more and more easily detected (epo, blood doping), during the most important race in the world, at a time when everyone's talking about doping, and when two athletes from your team have already returned high profile, positive tests. |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote:
On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water wrote: I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? c'mon -Bob Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly belonged only to cyclists. Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed? Dumbass - I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
On Jul 24, 1:10 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote: Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly belonged only to cyclists. Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed? I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean. Sure, if you consider vomiting on yourself clean. I'd read that there were allegations that the speed eaters sprayed digestive enzymes in their mouths prior to gurgitating to speed up the food breakdown. If you're eating the buns, it makes sense, and when you can win twenty THOUSAND dollars for winning the sport's most famous event, there's obviously a financial incentive. R |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
On Jul 24, 10:24 am, Hell and High Water
wrote: I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? Sure - if they don't care about GC - they can race clean. Personally, I could care less what the **** they are on. Whatever the result from this for Vino - I still think he's a fantastic pro cyclist. What I shutter to think about is what this will do to a sport that is already suffering from all this dope bull****. Ouch! -- Marty |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
In article
. com, Kurgan Gringioni wrote: On Jul 24, 10:03 am, bdbafh wrote: On Jul 24, 12:24 pm, Hell and High Water wrote: I've been trying for two years to follow/support/get excited about Cycle racing. It's pretty hard when every 15 minutes there's another failed test. Vino now? WTF? IS ANYONE CLEAN? DOES ANYONE RACE CLEAN? SERIOUSLY? c'mon -Bob Perhaps you need to watch a clean sport like (ML)Baseball, NBA Basketball or NFL Football where there are no criminals, no dirty refs and no dopers. Its not like all of the bags in Puerto allegedly belonged only to cyclists. Maybe an annual rock, paper scissors tourney is more your speed? Dumbass - I'll guess that professional speed eaters are clean. Eating speed is by definition doping. -- Michael Press |
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This is a seriously hard sport to get into...
Personally, I could care less what the **** they are on. Whatever the result from this for Vino - I still think he's a fantastic pro cyclist. What I shutter to think about is what this will do to a sport that is already suffering from all this dope bull****. Ouch! -- Marty I feel the same why, I could care less if there on something. There all on something so get over it, doping in sports has been around for a long time and will be around if it's cycling or football. I'm getting sick of every other week more doping bull****. If the uci keeps this up, sponsors will leave and new sponsors won't want to come because it's not something that a high dollar company wants to be associated with. Also if the uci and the tour are so against doping why is Zabel still racing after telling all? |
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