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How would you remove dropouts?
I'm planning to convert an old frame to single-speed and/or fixed. It's
a '92 Bridgestone MB-3 with vertical dropouts. My plan is to purchase some Henry James or Nova Cycles conversion fork-ends, and have a local weldor (sic.) attach them. I will be fabricating the cylinder to hold them in the proper orientation, so the welder will just have to lay the bead. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations for removing the old dropouts? They are welded into slots in the stays, which is how the new fork ends will go in. I was thinking I would saw and grind away the old dropouts, then use an angle grinder to remove the material from the slots. Is this the way to go about it, or is there an easy way the weldor can "heat" them out of there? Thanks! -Mike |
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wrote: I'm planning to convert an old frame to single-speed and/or fixed. It's a '92 Bridgestone MB-3 with vertical dropouts. My plan is to purchase some Henry James or Nova Cycles conversion fork-ends, and have a local weldor (sic.) attach them. I will be fabricating the cylinder to hold them in the proper orientation, so the welder will just have to lay the bead. Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations for removing the old dropouts? They are welded into slots in the stays, which is how the new fork ends will go in. I was thinking I would saw and grind away the old dropouts, then use an angle grinder to remove the material from the slots. Is this the way to go about it, or is there an easy way the weldor can "heat" them out of there? Thanks! It MIGHT be easier to get a White Industries ENO eccentric hub. That will allow you to use vertical dropouts, and its a fantastic hub. Probably the expense will be less than changing the dropouts, and the wheel will be useable on other frames. -Mike |
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select a "welder" with the extreme caution used for stepping on rattlesnakes try for someone with auto racing, aerospace, antique, or aircraft experience, ditto references, and not to busy when you approach him on your knees holding wad of dough-and on wednesday or tuesday after lunch when there's no other people or cars in the lot. make sure he's not a drunk. |
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"Martyn Aldis" wrote: (clip) The brass boiling off from inside the tube is not going to do much for the quality of a welding job. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is a critical point. The alloy of brass or silver solder and steel is very weak. If the joint has been previously brazed, then proper cleaning will prepare the joint for repair, and the new filler should flow very nicely. |
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writes:
I'm planning to convert an old frame to single-speed and/or fixed. It's a '92 Bridgestone MB-3 with vertical dropouts. I think that's a steel frameset, which means the dropouts are brazed. My plan is to purchase some Henry James or Nova Cycles conversion fork-ends, and have a local weldor (sic.) attach them. This should only cost you about $175 - henry james dropouts plus remove and reinstall dropouts at a reputable frame builder plus alignment (see http://www.campyonly.com/joebell/price_list.html .) You have an option to simply use a white industries ENO hub for $160, and still be able to convert your bike back to a umpteen-speed when that day comes, and sell the ENO hub to get much of your money back. The ENO is worth it, imho. - Don Gillies San Diego, CA |
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Yes, this is a steel (Ritchey Logic tubing) frame, so it's brazed I
guess. So maybe I should do this in two trips to a weldor? One to de-braze the dropouts, then I go home, clean it mechanically, set up my jig and such, then go back to have the new dropouts brazed? With brass? ("Weldor" appears to be what the people who weld prefer to be called on rec.crafts.metalworking, where the equipment is a "welder"). I have half a mind to just rent an O/A setup and do this all myself. -Mike Leo Lichtman wrote: "Martyn Aldis" wrote: (clip) The brass boiling off from inside the tube is not going to do much for the quality of a welding job. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is a critical point. The alloy of brass or silver solder and steel is very weak. If the joint has been previously brazed, then proper cleaning will prepare the joint for repair, and the new filler should flow very nicely. |
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Yeah, I'm usually a quick learner, usually working in carpentry,
woodworking, and wrenching. Technically, this is a junk frame because I would not be using it for anything if not for this project. If I ruin it, a junk frame it will remain. The problem I have with framebuilders is that I live in a wannabe "bike town," Austin, TX. There are no framebuilders here. This means that I have to contact Hans Schneider in Houston, or Skip Hujsak in Wimberly. I'm not interested in a road trip or frame shipping costs for this project. I miss the days when I lived in the Denver area and used to ride with frame builders, just on accident. sigh Well, thanks for the advice, I'll mull it over a bit. I'll probably just rig it as close as I can with the vertical dropouts and a lot of spacers on my freehub for now. That way I can decide how important this project really is to me. -Mike Werehatrack wrote: On 24 Mar 2005 13:39:50 -0800, may have said: Yes, this is a steel (Ritchey Logic tubing) frame, so it's brazed I guess. So maybe I should do this in two trips to a weldor? One to de-braze the dropouts, then I go home, clean it mechanically, set up my jig and such, then go back to have the new dropouts brazed? With brass? If the person doing the job is not familiar with the specific issues involved in working with thinwall steel tubing silver-soldered joints, I would urge you to find a specialty shop that does bike frame repair to handle the task. I've done a bit of silver-solder joining over the years on various things like refrigeration lines, jewelry, and custom parts for performance cars, but I would balk at trying a dropout replacement without consulting with someone who could provide the pointers needed for this task. (Unlss, of course, it was a matter of "fix it or walk to work tomorrow", in which case I'd just have at and do what seemed right. Which might be wrong.) ("Weldor" appears to be what the people who weld prefer to be called on rec.crafts.metalworking, where the equipment is a "welder"). Well, the professional welders I know all spell it with an "e"; you're talking to some crafts-level types over in rcm, not the kind of folks who do this for a living every day. I have half a mind to just rent an O/A setup and do this all myself. If you have two or three junk frames to use for practice, and you're a quick learner, this might work. I would not want to try this for the first time on a bike that I really liked and wanted to keep. That's just me, of course; some people are more adventurous. While this task isn't rocket science, it's still something that's easy enough to screw up without realizing that it's not right. -- My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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