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Old November 26th 17, 12:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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assuming your superior healthy is an error ... around you people are not...

the 'satellite city' boom grew more high towers

I assume one n 2 stories are cheaper

nice photo couldn't find a view north of NYC

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Old November 26th 17, 04:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-26 07:18, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,

wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into your
environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta
buildings are healthier than steel reinforced concrete
...a much
larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people
are or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire
of city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time.
Before The Inter Webs, close proximity promoted exchange of ideas and
specialization of effort. Still does to some extent.


It does, though specialization is not always a good thing. It results,
for example, in people who can't even fix a flat. Their tool of fixing
just about anything is the yellow pages.

As for health, dense living results in lot of civilization diseases,
higher stress levels and nowadays lung diseases because of pollution.
Probably also more cancer. Just about every time I reach the top of the
last hill to ride into the Sacramento Valley I see that brownish smog
line and I am thankful not to have to live down there. Other times I can
literally smell it.

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Old November 26th 17, 05:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 11/26/2017 10:07 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-26 07:18, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,

wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into
your
environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta
buildings are healthier than steel reinforced concrete
...a much
larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people
are or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire
of city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time.
Before The Inter Webs, close proximity promoted exchange
of ideas and
specialization of effort. Still does to some extent.


It does, though specialization is not always a good thing.
It results, for example, in people who can't even fix a
flat. Their tool of fixing just about anything is the yellow
pages.

As for health, dense living results in lot of civilization
diseases, higher stress levels and nowadays lung diseases
because of pollution. Probably also more cancer. Just about
every time I reach the top of the last hill to ride into the
Sacramento Valley I see that brownish smog line and I am
thankful not to have to live down there. Other times I can
literally smell it.


This is a false dichotomy in that all of it can be true and
likely is. Choice is good, neither city nor rural life being
perfect and humans being by their nature a diverse lot.

As regards specialization, one would prefer a world in which
some high school dropout like me kept Enrico Fermi's bike in
good shape leaving him more time for other thoughts and
activities.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old November 26th 17, 05:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-26 09:16, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/26/2017 10:07 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-26 07:18, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,

wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into
your
environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta
buildings are healthier than steel reinforced concrete
...a much
larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people
are or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire
of city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time.
Before The Inter Webs, close proximity promoted exchange
of ideas and
specialization of effort. Still does to some extent.


It does, though specialization is not always a good thing.
It results, for example, in people who can't even fix a
flat. Their tool of fixing just about anything is the yellow
pages.

As for health, dense living results in lot of civilization
diseases, higher stress levels and nowadays lung diseases
because of pollution. Probably also more cancer. Just about
every time I reach the top of the last hill to ride into the
Sacramento Valley I see that brownish smog line and I am
thankful not to have to live down there. Other times I can
literally smell it.


This is a false dichotomy in that all of it can be true and likely is.
Choice is good, neither city nor rural life being perfect and humans
being by their nature a diverse lot.


Though as humans we need to recognize when we are damaging our bodies
and the denser the area the more that will happen. This is also why I'll
never understand people who say "Away with cycle paths, bicycles belong
on the road". I find that, sorry to say, stupid. Why would anyone in
their right mind want to travel alongside noisy and polluting combustion
engines buzzing by? All one has to do is look at the rear bumper area of
passing cars and we'll notice that nearly all have a common design flaw.
The exhaust is on the curb side, right into our faces. No thanks, I
won't live in an area like that and prefer where I rode a couple of days
ago, a nice long pristine singletrack, all afternoon.


As regards specialization, one would prefer a world in which some high
school dropout like me kept Enrico Fermi's bike in good shape leaving
him more time for other thoughts and activities.


Unless you start an airline and a spacecraft company like the other
drop-out, Richard Branson :-)

Nothing against specialization, I did that myself by concentrating on a
section of electronic circuit design. However, we all should maintain a
modicum of broader skills to help ourselves when something goes wrong
instead of standing there next to our pretzeled front wheel with a blank
"Oh s..t!" expression on our faces. It also helps us from being snowed
in terms of "Oh, you'll need a complete new furnace, this one's
thoroughly shot and we can't get parts for it anymore anyhow".

--
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http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old November 26th 17, 05:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:07:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-26 07:18, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,

wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into your
environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta
buildings are healthier than steel reinforced concrete
...a much
larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people
are or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire
of city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time.
Before The Inter Webs, close proximity promoted exchange of ideas and
specialization of effort. Still does to some extent.


It does, though specialization is not always a good thing. It results,
for example, in people who can't even fix a flat. Their tool of fixing
just about anything is the yellow pages.


Fixing a flat IS specialization, particularly a tubular. Are you saying the rugged individualists in Cameron Park -- a golf community with an airstrip -- are more likely to fix their own flats than the downtrodden city dwellers in, say, Portland or Minneapolis?


As for health, dense living results in lot of civilization diseases,
higher stress levels and nowadays lung diseases because of pollution.
Probably also more cancer. Just about every time I reach the top of the
last hill to ride into the Sacramento Valley I see that brownish smog
line and I am thankful not to have to live down there. Other times I can
literally smell it.


And yet, you're headed to Sacramento to get goods and services lacking in Cameron Park -- which is not surprising, since it was designed as a parasitic bedroom community carved out of a cow-pasture/vinyard. Rugged individualists with cars and strip malls.

BTW, rural populations typically fare worse in terms of physical and mental health.
https://hpi.georgetown.edu/agingsoci...ral/rural.html Also, with all the wood stove burning and automobiles in Cameron Park, you'd have smog too if the town were in a valley, like Sacramento.

-- Jay Beattie.



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Old November 26th 17, 05:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-26 09:30, jbeattie wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:07:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-26 07:18, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,
wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into
your environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta buildings are healthier than steel reinforced
concrete ...a much larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people are
or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire of
city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time. Before The Inter Webs,
close proximity promoted exchange of ideas and specialization of
effort. Still does to some extent.


It does, though specialization is not always a good thing. It
results, for example, in people who can't even fix a flat. Their
tool of fixing just about anything is the yellow pages.


Fixing a flat IS specialization, particularly a tubular. Are you
saying the rugged individualists in Cameron Park -- a golf community
with an airstrip -- are more likely to fix their own flats than the
downtrodden city dwellers in, say, Portland or Minneapolis?


Probably yes. For example, the folks in the airpark almost always have a
very well equipped hangar-size garage with huge tool chests. Many also
have certificates entitling them to officially repair aircraft. If you
can fix a leaking tire on an aircraft you can fix it on a bicycle.


As for health, dense living results in lot of civilization
diseases, higher stress levels and nowadays lung diseases because
of pollution. Probably also more cancer. Just about every time I
reach the top of the last hill to ride into the Sacramento Valley I
see that brownish smog line and I am thankful not to have to live
down there. Other times I can literally smell it.


And yet, you're headed to Sacramento to get goods and services
lacking in Cameron Park -- which is not surprising, since it was
designed as a parasitic bedroom community carved out of a
cow-pasture/vinyard. Rugged individualists with cars and strip
malls.


No, I take my pick. Often, like two days ago, I point the MTB east and
go to the Placerville area. They've got hardware stores and just about
everything needed. I never ride into Sacramento for errands, if west I
go to Folsom. I like to patronize their businesses because that
community did and does a stellar job for cycling infrastructure. That
needs to be rewarded. As long as you don't ride much past Rancho Cordova
the smell of smog won't intensify too badly. Plus you are far off car
traffic because it is a bikle path separated so far that all you usually
see is river and nature.


BTW, rural populations typically fare worse in terms of physical and
mental health.
https://hpi.georgetown.edu/agingsoci...ral/rural.html


That is largely because of the much higher percentage of people with
longterm substance abuse problems, and most of all smoking. If you live
a healthy lifestyle country living is way better for you.


Also, with all the wood stove burning and automobiles in Cameron
Park, you'd have smog too if the town were in a valley, like
Sacramento.


We don't. Except on very cold days for the occasional expression
censored who are too incompetent to operate a wood stove.

When I worked in Rancho Cordova (Sacramento Valley) I could sometimes
feel the pollution in my lungs. Coming up the Bass Lake Grade I rolled
down the windows "Aaaah, finally fresh air". No that I don't have to
commute anymore I get fresh air all the time.

Even more of a contrast is a flight from Ireland or Scotland to
Duesseldorf in Germany. I grew up there but after stepping out of the
plane I still thought "Why would anyone want to live here?".

--
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Old November 26th 17, 05:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:18:55 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2017 3:05 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:51, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-7,

wrote:
the foil joke may prevent you from arranging with/into your
environment

try this ... if foil was a component then why not .... ?

J this is an older German architectural/psych concept:
terracotta
buildings are healthier than steel reinforced concrete
...a much
larger off the ground scale

I cannot locate current info on the net


Steel re-enforced in most cases means some big residential
highrise in a congested area. No wonder that those people
are or feel less healthy. I have never understood the desire
of city folk to cram together like sardines in a can.


Try an intro Anthropology book some time.
Before The Inter Webs, close proximity promoted exchange of
ideas and specialization of effort. Still does to some extent.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


no longer. you are an example. Asimov ? actually Asimov is the only name to mind. many moons. Morse had a recent anniversary.

real estate plus ad prestige for the tower. a walk outside is best with 1-2

I find the entire tower complex baffling as will the top 100 when the ice melts n ticks close in.

ATL, distribution and redistribution nub has warehousing fling across the perimeter, cheaper real estate, surly easier access.

towers may be more bike accessible.
 




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