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  #11  
Old November 26th 17, 04:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-25 16:16, wrote:
recycling en mass is industrial practice for costs. needs a buyer,
short shipping.


No, it needs a heart and unselfish service.


what's the Chinese cost stripping one bicycle ? or is this necessary
with a 'sorter' post crush ?


No idea. Once bicycles are thrown into such a high pile using cranes the
frames are no longer serviceable.

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Old November 27th 17, 10:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance


It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those
discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone
bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn
a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still
people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on
foot, over lots of miles.

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Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that?

Lou
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Old November 27th 17, 01:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:39:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 06:57, wrote:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance


It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those
discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone
bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn
a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still
people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on
foot, over lots of miles.

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Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that?

Lou


goo.gl/i65wNg

aluminum.... gotta separate Al from Fe

frankly, if the Chinese not gonna do it ...

goo.gl/Tb2Qnz

try auto then bicycle crusher

anyone see an image of a bicycle cube ?

steel auto body carriers are often seen here ... locally

steel's recycling perimeter out into the boons prob expands slowly , when ? demand

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Old November 27th 17, 05:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-27 02:39, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 06:57,
wrote:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance


It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those
discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone
bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn
a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still
people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on
foot, over lots of miles.

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Regards, Joerg

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Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that?


Yes, by donating to help organizations. Part of the donated money goes
towards transport.

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Old November 27th 17, 07:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 27-11-17 11:39, wrote:
On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 06:57,
wrote:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...trys-arrogance


It's sad. They should have at least had the wisdom to donate those
discarded bicycles to an underdeveloped country where even one lone
bicycle in the family can make the difference between being able to earn
a couple of bucks a day or not, and feeding the family. There are still
people in this world who have to schlepp their produce to market on
foot, over lots of miles.

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Very noble but someone has to pay for the shipment and distrubution. You take care of that?

Lou


Earlier I mentioned the Swiss example of Velafrica.

Here is the link to their website: http://velafrica.ch/en/What-we-do

Sending bikes does involve significant costs. From the FAQ:
"How big is the expenditure to ship bikes from Switzerland to Africa?
The transportation of 500 bicycles to for example Ghana is around 5000
Swiss Francs. And there are additional costs such as custom fees or
costs for the local transportation, which vary between 10 and 20 Swiss
Francs. All in all, a bicycle costs about 40 to 70 Swiss Francs."
(The present exchange rate is almost exactly 1 $ per Swiss Franc.)

Velafrica relies on donations (and I think help from shipping
companies). In 2016 they were able to send more than 22,000 bikes. See
http://velafrica.ch/en/What-we-do/Export
(here without the link error in my previous post)

So it can be done, but it takes organization, helpers, and people
willing to contribute both material and money. Maybe this was too much
to ask of the Chinese company discarding the pile of bikes, but it still
seems very sad to just junk them. Still, Velafrica contrasts the
recycled Swiss bikes with ones from China: "Recycled bicycles from
Switzerland are highly popular in Africa. They are sturdier than the
bicycles from China which are available on the local market and,
frequently, also cheaper." That text continues, "Each and every bicycle
however needs to be repaired and maintained. That's why Velafrica also
trains bicycle mechanics, establishes workshops and ensures that spare
parts and tools are replenished. Jobs, training and income opportunities
in the region are created. The population gets access to affordable and
robust bicycles. These wheels from Switzerland create opportunities."

Here is the web page if you want to make a donation:
http://velafrica.ch/en/donations/Financial-donation


Ned


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Old November 28th 17, 06:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 11/25/2017 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:45, wrote:
look around, the lot is for recycling


Yeah, right, into the crusher, sort, melt. The usual. If you take a look
at the height of the pile it becomes obvious that the bicycles were
likely literally thrown onto that pile without any care whether they'd
be damaged. Many won't even have a straight frame anymore.

This is how it's done right:

http://www.keeploupbasinbeautiful.or...life-to-bikes/


Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've
come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their
company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts as
to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the liability
of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I doubt that they
would be stolen.
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Old November 28th 17, 08:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:11:16 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 11/25/2017 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-25 12:45, wrote:
look around, the lot is for recycling


Yeah, right, into the crusher, sort, melt. The usual. If you take a look
at the height of the pile it becomes obvious that the bicycles were
likely literally thrown onto that pile without any care whether they'd
be damaged. Many won't even have a straight frame anymore.

This is how it's done right:

http://www.keeploupbasinbeautiful.or...life-to-bikes/


Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've
come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their
company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts as
to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the liability
of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I doubt that they
would be stolen.


Vandalism can be more widespread and as expensive as theft. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...ands_bike.html

Bike share programs also bite into private business. http://www.wweek.com/bikes/2017/04/2...nd-bike-shops/

Cities are inefficient business operators and already subject to enormous risk. In Cupertino, I think there would be a very low reward versus risk. It would be a novelty program. Is there any similarly diffuse area where bike share programs have really worked. Do they work anywhere? I think the jury is still out in Portland.

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Old November 28th 17, 11:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:11:09 -0800, sms
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Two companies want to set up dockless bike sharing in my city. They've
come to City Council meetings with their bicycles to pitch their
company. There's a Limebike in my city hall office. I have my doubts
as to the success of such a venture and I have concerns about the
liability of the City. The bicycles are so incredibly heavy that I
doubt that they would be stolen.


We've had the "Nice Ride" public bikes with docks all over Minneapolis
and St. Paul for several years. one or two "dockless" bike rental
companies want to come into town. The response of the current company
is interesting- they are basically going to fold up shop, go way and
turn over the business to the new companies, stating "mission
accomplished" (the mission having apparetnly been to prove the viablity
of the concept. Almost literally not a day goes by that I don't see
people riding those bikes around town (except in the winter when they
pull the bikes in off the streets). The "Nice Ride" bikes have been
astonishingly successful, to me at least, whereas prior programs failed
miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at
all.
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Old November 29th 17, 03:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:15:22 -0600, Tim McNamara
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whereas prior programs failed
miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at
all.


Any program where there is no cost to the user at all is doomed to
fail.

No feedback.

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Old November 29th 17, 03:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-11-28 19:27, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:15:22 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

whereas prior programs failed
miserably- including programs where there was no cost to the user at
all.


Any program where there is no cost to the user at all is doomed to
fail.


Very true. There has to be some cost. Whether it's bike share or bike
donations, recipients of goods and services should always pay a
reasonable amount.

What I saw with some bike share programs in the past were exorbitant
rental fees, sometimes per half-hour, and weird drop-off requirements. A
more intense usage pattern could almost rival the costs for a rental car.


No feedback.


You also don't get feedback on programs where users pay but there they
won't abuse it.

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