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Old December 4th 17, 11:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/4/2017 1:00 PM, Joerg wrote:

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What blew my mind is what some people are spending on bicycles and
parts. Kevin showed us a mod he was working on for a customer. New
12-speed cluster with 50T cog and the cassette alone cost well north of
$300. Twelve! Crazy.


It's important not to attempt to correlate the amount of bicycling with
the number of new bicycles that are being sold.
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Old December 5th 17, 12:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-12-04 14:45, sms wrote:
On 12/4/2017 1:00 PM, Joerg wrote:

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What blew my mind is what some people are spending on bicycles and
parts. Kevin showed us a mod he was working on for a customer. New
12-speed cluster with 50T cog and the cassette alone cost well north
of $300. Twelve! Crazy.


It's important not to attempt to correlate the amount of bicycling with
the number of new bicycles that are being sold.



Those kinds of customers are hardcore riders though. The bikes usually
look the part, they aren't garage queens.

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Old December 5th 17, 12:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?


It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by building bike
trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up their cars forever. And
every year, more segregated kiddy paths have been built. Some cities
have doubled their bike mode share, all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%!
That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars saved here.


So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I _know_
bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not reporting sales
so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that cycling
down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra foothills bike sales
are brisk. Else successes such as these would not happen:


You're f****** nuts. SCV has some of the best riding in the state. Ever climbed Mt. Hamilton? http://www.bikecal.com/MustDoClimbs/...tHamilton1.jpg The Santa Cruz mountains? https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5d/51/71/5...u-are-here.jpg

Out to the coast? Old LaHonda to the coast was awesome. https://www.southbayriders.com/forum...hments/172370/ I still miss that. I miss Hamilton except for the crack seal. I finished first in the Mt. Hamilton Challenge (200K/10K climbing) -- that was a great day.

All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park. The SCV also has a strong cycling community -- at least it did when I was there. Remember Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager? -- Jim Blackburn (Blackburn), Jim Gentes (Giro), Mike Sinyard (Specialized), Rock Shockm( in '90s), etc., etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. The SCV was the belly-button of the bike industry and has some spectacular cycling.

-- Jay Beattie.





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Old December 5th 17, 01:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-12-04 15:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?

It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by
building bike trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up
their cars forever. And every year, more segregated kiddy paths
have been built. Some cities have doubled their bike mode share,
all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%! That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars
saved here.


So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I
_know_ bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not
reporting sales so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that
cycling down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra
foothills bike sales are brisk. Else successes such as these would
not happen:


You're f****** nuts.



Man, you have a fuse almost as short as that of El Presidente :-)


... SCV has some of the best riding in the state.
Ever climbed Mt. Hamilton?
http://www.bikecal.com/MustDoClimbs/...tHamilton1.jpg The Santa
Cruz mountains?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5d/51/71/5...u-are-here.jpg


That's not what we consider best riding out here. This is what we
consider best riding:

https://cdn-files.apstatic.com/mtb/7...1437192781.jpg

This is real life in the Bay Area:

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/34/07/22.../1024x1024.jpg

And no thanks, I'll never want to live there.


Out to the coast? Old LaHonda to the coast was awesome.
https://www.southbayriders.com/forum...hments/172370/ I still
miss that. I miss Hamilton except for the crack seal. I finished
first in the Mt. Hamilton Challenge (200K/10K climbing) -- that was
a great day.


Congratulations. I never participated in a race and never will. Not my
cuppa tea. I am also not the top notch sports guy like you are.


All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park.



They sure do not.


... The SCV also has
a strong cycling community -- at least it did when I was there.
Remember Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager? -- Jim Blackburn (Blackburn),
Jim Gentes (Giro), Mike Sinyard (Specialized), Rock Shockm( in '90s),
etc., etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. The SCV was the
belly-button of the bike industry and has some spectacular cycling.


I am not into famous people, they don't matter much to me. What I want
is pristine nature, preferably no motor-vehicle traffic and the
occasional river access. A brewpub here and there can't hurt.

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Regards, Joerg

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Old December 5th 17, 03:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/4/2017 4:00 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?


It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by building bike
trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up their cars forever. And
every year, more segregated kiddy paths have been built. Some cities
have doubled their bike mode share, all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%!
That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars saved
here.


My little suburban village has a population of about 3000. If there were
a 0.2% increase in bike mode share, that would mean six new riders. For
a segregated bike path, one million dollars per mile is a bit on the
cheap side of things. So how much should the village spend on kiddie
paths to improve the health of six people?

So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I _know_
bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not reporting sales
so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that cycling
down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra foothills bike sales
are brisk. Else successes such as these would not happen:

http://teamcycleandtscafe.com/contact-about-us/1768830

http://www.bisonbikes.com/


So you have two bike shops, one in business for about 12 years, and one
that just opened? And we're supposed to be impressed?

Let's give it a few years. Bike shops come and bike shops go, just like
other businesses.

Jay mentioned Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager, Jim Blackburn, Jim Gentes
and Mike Sinyard. I can mention Arni Nashbar. All those people did big
things in the bicycling business. It's weird that you demean them as
being mere "famous people" but want us to be impressed by a couple tiny
shops, one of which is still wet behind the ears.

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- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 5th 17, 05:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 15:49, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:00:54 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-04 12:39, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/4/2017 2:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-12-03 14:34, jbeattie wrote:

What is causing this bike market downturn?

It MUST be fake news! You, Joerg, have assured us that by
building bike trails we'd get millions of Americans to give up
their cars forever. And every year, more segregated kiddy paths
have been built. Some cities have doubled their bike mode share,
all the way from 0.2% to 0.4%! That's like a 100% increase!


Sure it is, and for America that is quite big. Weren't you the guy
always touting the health benefits? Calculate the health Dollars
saved here.


So I'm not going to believe any biased communist industry data. I
_know_ bike sales have skyrocketed! Those bike dealers are not
reporting sales so they can cheat on their taxes.


We were talking about the Silicon Valley. I can imagine that
cycling down there isn't exactly fun. Up here in the Sierra
foothills bike sales are brisk. Else successes such as these would
not happen:


You're f****** nuts.



Man, you have a fuse almost as short as that of El Presidente :-)


... SCV has some of the best riding in the state.
Ever climbed Mt. Hamilton?
http://www.bikecal.com/MustDoClimbs/...tHamilton1.jpg The Santa
Cruz mountains?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5d/51/71/5...u-are-here.jpg


That's not what we consider best riding out here. This is what we
consider best riding:

https://cdn-files.apstatic.com/mtb/7...1437192781.jpg


I'm talking road. Silly me, I forgot don't ride on the road because it is too dangerous -- but you will ride on an unprotected precipice where a fall means death. O.K. And by the way, that picture is what -- 50-75 miles from your house up HWY 50? How do you propose to get there? I post pictures of Mt. Hood which is also about 50 or so miles away, but at least I can ride there.


This is real life in the Bay Area:

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/34/07/22.../1024x1024.jpg

And no thanks, I'll never want to live there.


Nobody is saying you have to. And BTW, that's SF and not the Santa Clara Valley.

Out to the coast? Old LaHonda to the coast was awesome.
https://www.southbayriders.com/forum...hments/172370/ I still
miss that. I miss Hamilton except for the crack seal. I finished
first in the Mt. Hamilton Challenge (200K/10K climbing) -- that was
a great day.


Congratulations. I never participated in a race and never will. Not my
cuppa tea. I am also not the top notch sports guy like you are.


It is now referred to as a "gran fondo." I never did do the Mt. Hamilton Road Race. I knew I would get dropped by the 120lb guys. Have to take your victories where you can get them.


All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park.



They sure do not.


All I hear from you is how incredibly dangerous it is to ride in Cameron Park and the environs. It sounds like a living hell. Why would anyone want to live there who likes to ride on the road? Meanwhile, when I lived in the SCV, I commuted thousands of miles, raced, raced track (no velodrome in Cameron Park the last I checked), rode through dramatic redwood forest to the ocean one day and then the next day road up the brown hills of the Hamilton range to a late Victorian observatory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_Observatory Riding through the strawberry fields near Watsonville was amazing -- like riding through a jar of jam. I frequently rode over to Aptos and stayed at a friends house up in the hills, looking down at Monterey Bay. Not going to get that in Cameron Park.


... The SCV also has
a strong cycling community -- at least it did when I was there.
Remember Tom Ritchey, Keith Bontrager? -- Jim Blackburn (Blackburn),
Jim Gentes (Giro), Mike Sinyard (Specialized), Rock Shockm( in '90s),
etc., etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. The SCV was the
belly-button of the bike industry and has some spectacular cycling.


I am not into famous people, they don't matter much to me. What I want
is pristine nature, preferably no motor-vehicle traffic and the
occasional river access. A brewpub here and there can't hurt.


The point I was making is that the SCV has a very active cycling community, a deep history in the bicycle industry and many riding opportunities. Riding in the SCV was a lot of "fun" for me. It would not be fun for you because you find road riding scary, bad, etc., etc. If you're not getting run over by a car, you're dying of exhaust inhalation.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old December 5th 17, 11:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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You're f****** nuts....All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park.

Jay, you really don't know what you're talking about. As one who has lived in both places, I am here to attest to the fact that cycling in and around the Sierra foothills has Bay Area cycling beat all to hell. It's probably the best cycling area in the entire country. The Bay Area is too freaking crowded.
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Old December 5th 17, 04:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 2:36:14 AM UTC-8, wrote:
You're f****** nuts....All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park..

Jay, you really don't know what you're talking about. As one who has lived in both places, I am here to attest to the fact that cycling in and around the Sierra foothills has Bay Area cycling beat all to hell. It's probably the best cycling area in the entire country. The Bay Area is too freaking crowded.


According to Joerg, riding in the Sierra foothills is a nightmare.

I can't comment on current conditions in SCV, and I haven't lived in the Sierra foothills, but I've ridden there plenty of times coming back from Tahoe and Yosemite and on day rides. I like the Sierra a lot. I've done the Death Ride a few times and many tours. But the run-out through the foothills is not the best part. HWY 49 has some difficult climbs and atmospheric old towns, but it is not like riding to an alpine lake on Ebbetts or any of the scenery in the high Sierra. It isn't like riding on the coast or to the coast -- or even Skyline to the Bay. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...yline_Blvd.jpg

No doubt the Sierra foothills are more rural and less crowded than much of the SCV, and I'm not saying anyone has to move to a city. When I lived in the SCV, my favorite rides were not in the city. They were in the mountains or on the coast. It was "fun" and not miserable as Joerg claims. Plenty of bikes are being sold in the SCV, I'm sure -- not including all the bikes being sold from the Specialized headquarters in Morgan Hill.

As far as the best riding in the country goes, I much prefer riding through varied greenery. http://beautifulhoodriver.com/images...3_11-19-10.jpg I do love the smell of riding through the brown hills in California, but even then, I prefer the set between the valley and coast because there is more bay and eucalyptus -- great smells. Not just oak and grass.

-- Jay Beattie.






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Old December 5th 17, 04:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/5/2017 9:37 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 2:36:14 AM UTC-8, wrote:
You're f****** nuts....All these places beat the **** out of Cameron Park.

Jay, you really don't know what you're talking about. As one who has lived in both places, I am here to attest to the fact that cycling in and around the Sierra foothills has Bay Area cycling beat all to hell. It's probably the best cycling area in the entire country. The Bay Area is too freaking crowded.


According to Joerg, riding in the Sierra foothills is a nightmare.

I can't comment on current conditions in SCV, and I haven't lived in the Sierra foothills, but I've ridden there plenty of times coming back from Tahoe and Yosemite and on day rides. I like the Sierra a lot. I've done the Death Ride a few times and many tours. But the run-out through the foothills is not the best part. HWY 49 has some difficult climbs and atmospheric old towns, but it is not like riding to an alpine lake on Ebbetts or any of the scenery in the high Sierra. It isn't like riding on the coast or to the coast -- or even Skyline to the Bay. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...yline_Blvd.jpg

No doubt the Sierra foothills are more rural and less crowded than much of the SCV, and I'm not saying anyone has to move to a city. When I lived in the SCV, my favorite rides were not in the city. They were in the mountains or on the coast. It was "fun" and not miserable as Joerg claims. Plenty of bikes are being sold in the SCV, I'm sure -- not including all the bikes being sold from the Specialized headquarters in Morgan Hill.

As far as the best riding in the country goes, I much prefer riding through varied greenery. http://beautifulhoodriver.com/images...3_11-19-10.jpg I do love the smell of riding through the brown hills in California, but even then, I prefer the set between the valley and coast because there is more bay and eucalyptus -- great smells. Not just oak and grass.


You have good points but at some point it becomes 'mine
(bike, girlfriend, car, watch, whatever) is better than yours.

https://www.travelwisconsin.com/uplo...and-bikers.jpg

People like what they like, which is great. Celebrate diversity!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rWGBaVBXa9s/maxresdefault.jpg


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when I diverted from N-S San Juan Island route south to lower Colorado for winter 5 times (?) down Cal One thru the Lost Coast Mattole Road using S&T/ Garmin Nroute
to Goose Island/Rockport for Gulf Grackle study/seismology off the similar Orca kayak research at Juan de Fuca ....I felt a definite loss. a homesickness for the great scenic splendor sensory input of the Coast n Sierras. Left with nothing coming thru in Texas. Empty. Windy.

Super research results tho as birds have their own local seismographs from oil money. Texas farm machinery lot not a rusty farm all n spreader but a collection looking like their gonna start an interstate.
 




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