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  #31  
Old December 13th 17, 05:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/10/2017 1:36 PM, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

Andy


If possible, crossing mid-block is a good idea. Intersections are of
course a more dangerous place to cross because you have vehicles coming
from so many more directions. However a lot of crosswalks are to cross
multi-lane divided roads, and it's often not practical to cross mid-block.

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Old December 13th 17, 05:46 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:39:55 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
The deal I've encountered lately are dogs on airplanes. WTF? Take a Xanax or Ativan.


Ah yes. A couple years ago we were on a flight from Pittsburgh to Florida.
Someone up toward the front of the plane had a little dog in a carrier. The dog
spent the entire flight going "Yip! ... Yip! ... Yip!" It yipped every five
seconds or so all the way to Florida. The owners never reacted a bit.

- Frank Krygowski


It's a comfort animal. You can repeat to yourself "If the plane crashes and
bursts into flames, at least that f$#king dog will stop barking."


In that instance, unfortunately airliners crash so seldom :-)
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Old December 13th 17, 03:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
The deal I've encountered lately are dogs on airplanes. WTF? Take a Xanax or Ativan.


Ah yes. A couple years ago we were on a flight from Pittsburgh to Florida.
Someone up toward the front of the plane had a little dog in a carrier. The dog
spent the entire flight going "Yip! ... Yip! ... Yip!" It yipped every five
seconds or so all the way to Florida. The owners never reacted a bit.

- Frank Krygowski


It's a comfort animal. You can repeat to yourself "If the plane crashes and
bursts into flames, at least that f$#king dog will stop barking."


The ADA was tightened up to prevent people from claiming that odd-ball creatures like iguanas were service animals, although there are still laws in various states and, I think, the the Fair Housing Act (FHA) that protect practically any kind of pet claimed to be a service or support animal. I did a bunch of FHA claims a million years ago that involved suits claiming discrimination based on "no pet" policies. I think new regs came along that fixed some of the problems, but it is still against the law to exclude a potential tenant because he or she has a service animal. Half the time, it's a racket to get around no pet policies.

What astounds me is that pets are now necessary -- not optional or elective.. There are billboards around PDX saying "end petlessness" https://www.oregonhumane.org/wp-cont...Widmer_web.jpg Sorry, no dogs at the table. They are not people and will not be drinking beer with me at the Widmer Brewpub.The world has gotten too sappy.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old December 13th 17, 05:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:38:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/12/2017 2:23 PM, Andy wrote:
On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 8:48:33 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/11/2017 6:48 AM, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/10/2017 4:36 PM, Andy wrote:
I was crossing crosswalk with green light.

Lady made a right at red light. She never looked right.

I was hit.

Broke left hand and neck pain.

I will never again cross at light.

Will cross between blocks.

Can't trust anyone!!

You certainly have to be very choosy about whom you trust. But you also
have to behave in a predictable manner.

It sounds like you were going straight ahead while you were to the right
of a car that turned right. I try to never put myself in that position.
It's responsible for many serious crashes, often fatal ones. That's why
that location has the nickname "coffin corner." See
http://iamtraffic.org/glossary/coffin-corner/

That website talks specifically about a bike lane, but the same
principle applies if its a sidewalk, or even if you're on a street or
road with no bike lane. Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right. _Especially_ don't do it with trucks, buses or
other large vehicles. They have blind spots that make it even harder to
spot you in that position.

Bicycles are safest at intersections if they are where motorists expect
vehicles to be, and if the bicyclists are performing normal traffic
movements.

For more on this, see
http://www.kansascyclist.com/news/20...coffin-corner/

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- Frank Krygowski

Don't put yourself to the right of a vehicle
that may turn right.

That's difficult to do when a cyclist has to cross.
Any cyclist on the road will ALWAYS be on someone's right.

Sorry, that's absolutely false. There are cyclists who are knowledgeable
enough not to ride in the gutter, and knowledgeable enough to avoid bike
lanes and sidewalks that put them at risk.

Admittedly, most cyclists don't have that knowledge. But most cyclists
think they already know everything about how to ride a bike. Go figure!

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- Frank Krygowski


You are entitled to your opinion even if wrong.


OK, I'll admit to being wrong in one sense: It is true that any cyclist
on the road will be to _someone's_ right. It could be someone on a road
a mile away. It could be someone walking on a sidewalk. It could be
someone sitting at a desk.

Is that what you meant?

But it's certainly not necessary for a cyclist to always ride to the
right of a motorist traveling the same road in the same direction. When
that occurs at an intersection, the cyclist is assuming some risk.

BTW, there are people who say you were walking when hit in the
crosswalk, not riding a bike. So, which was it?
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- Frank Krygowski


Riding.
  #35  
Old December 14th 17, 02:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:32:17 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
The deal I've encountered lately are dogs on airplanes. WTF? Take a Xanax or Ativan.

Ah yes. A couple years ago we were on a flight from Pittsburgh to Florida.
Someone up toward the front of the plane had a little dog in a carrier. The dog
spent the entire flight going "Yip! ... Yip! ... Yip!" It yipped every five
seconds or so all the way to Florida. The owners never reacted a bit.

- Frank Krygowski


It's a comfort animal. You can repeat to yourself "If the plane crashes and
bursts into flames, at least that f$#king dog will stop barking."


The ADA was tightened up to prevent people from claiming that odd-ball creatures like iguanas were service animals, although there are still laws in various states and, I think, the the Fair Housing Act (FHA) that protect practically any kind of pet claimed to be a service or support animal. I did a bunch of FHA claims a million years ago that involved suits claiming discrimination based on "no pet" policies. I think new regs came along that fixed some of the problems, but it is still against the law to exclude a potential tenant because he or she has a service animal. Half the time, it's a racket to get around no pet policies.


Solely out of curiosity, doesn't one have to prove that one's "service
animal" actually provides a necessary service?


What astounds me is that pets are now necessary -- not optional or elective. There are billboards around PDX saying "end petlessness" https://www.oregonhumane.org/wp-cont...Widmer_web.jpg Sorry, no dogs at the table. They are not people and will not be drinking beer with me at the Widmer Brewpub.The world has gotten too sappy.

-- Jay Beattie.


It could encourage a whole new industry. Pet Bars, Pet Flights, think
of it, Bars could even be divided into Doggie Bars, Kitty Bars, even
Iguana Bars, and imaging a coast to coast flight service,
"PET's Flight" (pooper scoopers furnished free and room deodorant
sprayed at frequent intervals).

--
Cheers,

John B.

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Old December 14th 17, 02:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/13/2017 8:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:32:17 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
The deal I've encountered lately are dogs on airplanes. WTF? Take a Xanax or Ativan.

Ah yes. A couple years ago we were on a flight from Pittsburgh to Florida.
Someone up toward the front of the plane had a little dog in a carrier. The dog
spent the entire flight going "Yip! ... Yip! ... Yip!" It yipped every five
seconds or so all the way to Florida. The owners never reacted a bit.

- Frank Krygowski


It's a comfort animal. You can repeat to yourself "If the plane crashes and
bursts into flames, at least that f$#king dog will stop barking."


The ADA was tightened up to prevent people from claiming that odd-ball creatures like iguanas were service animals, although there are still laws in various states and, I think, the the Fair Housing Act (FHA) that protect practically any kind of pet claimed to be a service or support animal. I did a bunch of FHA claims a million years ago that involved suits claiming discrimination based on "no pet" policies. I think new regs came along that fixed some of the problems, but it is still against the law to exclude a potential tenant because he or she has a service animal. Half the time, it's a racket to get around no pet policies.


Solely out of curiosity, doesn't one have to prove that one's "service
animal" actually provides a necessary service?


What astounds me is that pets are now necessary -- not optional or elective. There are billboards around PDX saying "end petlessness" https://www.oregonhumane.org/wp-cont...Widmer_web.jpg Sorry, no dogs at the table. They are not people and will not be drinking beer with me at the Widmer Brewpub.The world has gotten too sappy.

-- Jay Beattie.


It could encourage a whole new industry. Pet Bars, Pet Flights, think
of it, Bars could even be divided into Doggie Bars, Kitty Bars, even
Iguana Bars, and imaging a coast to coast flight service,
"PET's Flight" (pooper scoopers furnished free and room deodorant
sprayed at frequent intervals).


Solely out of curiosity, doesn't one have to prove that

one's "service
animal" actually provides a necessary service?


ha ha ha . On what planet?

I'm sure that will be addressed right after people with free
government opiate prescriptions, which they sell in bulk,
and just after people who enjoy fishing skiing and offroad
cycling every day while on permanent disability and as soon
as resolution appears for people who are gainfully employed
while collecting relief in two adjacent counties.

I won't hold my breath.



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Old December 14th 17, 04:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:25:23 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/13/2017 8:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:32:17 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
The deal I've encountered lately are dogs on airplanes. WTF? Take a Xanax or Ativan.

Ah yes. A couple years ago we were on a flight from Pittsburgh to Florida.
Someone up toward the front of the plane had a little dog in a carrier. The dog
spent the entire flight going "Yip! ... Yip! ... Yip!" It yipped every five
seconds or so all the way to Florida. The owners never reacted a bit.

- Frank Krygowski


It's a comfort animal. You can repeat to yourself "If the plane crashes and
bursts into flames, at least that f$#king dog will stop barking."

The ADA was tightened up to prevent people from claiming that odd-ball creatures like iguanas were service animals, although there are still laws in various states and, I think, the the Fair Housing Act (FHA) that protect practically any kind of pet claimed to be a service or support animal. I did a bunch of FHA claims a million years ago that involved suits claiming discrimination based on "no pet" policies. I think new regs came along that fixed some of the problems, but it is still against the law to exclude a potential tenant because he or she has a service animal. Half the time, it's a racket to get around no pet policies.


Solely out of curiosity, doesn't one have to prove that one's "service
animal" actually provides a necessary service?


What astounds me is that pets are now necessary -- not optional or elective. There are billboards around PDX saying "end petlessness" https://www.oregonhumane.org/wp-cont...Widmer_web.jpg Sorry, no dogs at the table. They are not people and will not be drinking beer with me at the Widmer Brewpub.The world has gotten too sappy.

-- Jay Beattie.


It could encourage a whole new industry. Pet Bars, Pet Flights, think
of it, Bars could even be divided into Doggie Bars, Kitty Bars, even
Iguana Bars, and imaging a coast to coast flight service,
"PET's Flight" (pooper scoopers furnished free and room deodorant
sprayed at frequent intervals).


Solely out of curiosity, doesn't one have to prove that

one's "service
animal" actually provides a necessary service?


ha ha ha . On what planet?

I'm sure that will be addressed right after people with free
government opiate prescriptions, which they sell in bulk,
and just after people who enjoy fishing skiing and offroad
cycling every day while on permanent disability and as soon
as resolution appears for people who are gainfully employed
while collecting relief in two adjacent counties.

I won't hold my breath.



You will have to wait for me, I guess. I left the U.S. so many years
ago that I'm no longer "up to speed" with more modern and innovative
countries.

I was referring to renting when it says "NO PETS ALLOWED!" and the
renter is trying to argue his elephant is a "service animal" There was
a case here a year or so ago.

The case here went to court and while the court admitted that the
elephant worked and provided a source of income to it's owner it was
not a "service animal" in the same sense as a seeing eye dog (for
example) and couldn't live "in the back of the shop".

In respect to the remainder of your post I've always felt that Marx
had it right when he wrote, "from each according to his abilities".
Thought a big pile of street sweeping brooms next to City Hall was a
grand idea.

If you didn't have any money you could always go down to City Hall at
05:30 (got to get a good start on the day) sign your name, or make you
mark, and get a broom and start sweeping the streets. At Quitting Time
you came back, returned your broom and they gave you your day's pay.

Think of it! The Dignity of Labour and Keeping Your City Clean. All on
the same day.
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Cheers,

John B.

 




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