Bus racks

On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:09:49 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
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Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are great but
I don't eat them on account of their effect on the waist line.

Could be. I'm on a diet and gave up making fritter comparisons.

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I bet your beer has a lot more calories in it in quantities you seem to consume than do a few apple fritters.

Cheers

On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 6:36:29 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
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But less than 90mins by pickup truck. Makes you much more independent as
well. It would be a real bummer if you'd pretzel the chain, have to hoof
it out and miss the last bus back down the hill.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

So carry a spare chain and a chain tool with you. We all know you carry just about everything else.

Cheers

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 08:51, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:13:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
snip


[...]


[...]


(BTW, in front of my office building. I have to dodge those
things). We also have private buses up to the mountains for
skiing and airport shuttle buses, etc.


Those are what could be construed as cherry-picking. What I
meant was a full blown system that includes not so lucrative
routes all the way to Outer Podunk. A sysme that enables most
residents not to even have a car.

Not going to happen in a market economy. The fares would be too
high for either local users who have to subsidize rural users or
for rural users who have to pay actual cost plus ROI. There might
be a way to do this by selling losses to investors -- running the
system as a tax shelter, but I'll let the tax accountants figure
that one out. The bottom line is that barriers to entry are not
that high and certainly lower than in Germany, and if mass
transit could be done profitably in a large US urban area by
private business, it would be. People are always looking for a
way to make a buck. It might work elsewhere in a dense European
city, but it has been tried and failed here in PDX.


The German example I brought was from an area much less densely
populated than Portland. AFAIK they even operate ferries in the
system.


Germany is a comparatively small country with a large population.
Distances are not so great there compared to many areas of the USA.


As I wrote, I picked an example (on purpose) from an area that is less
densely populated than where I live now.


Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many
Germans emigrated?


Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One
cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better
there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not.
Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle
infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has.
Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there
is often a lack of willingness.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it?

Cheers

Many years ago Riverside, California attempted to "register" bicycles.
The idea was to have a record of who owned what bicycle which they
hoped might reduce bicycle theft.

If I remember correctly it cost the owner 50 cents and he got a nice
little "number plate" to attach to his bicycle.

You never heard as much moaning and groaning, "You mean I gotta pay 50
cents to ride a bicycle." The city gave up on the scheme. Apparently
cyclists are cheap.

On 2018-09-01 17:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 6:36:29 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Snipped

But less than 90mins by pickup truck. Makes you much more
independent as well. It would be a real bummer if you'd pretzel the
chain, have to hoof it out and miss the last bus back down the
hill.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

So carry a spare chain and a chain tool with you. We all know you
carry just about everything else.


By now I have two chain tools. One came with a bike tool kit, the other
came as part of the Crankbrothers M19. The old flattened concrete nail
and the steel nut were very sad. They did weigh less though, modern
stuff is not always better than the old stuff.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2018-09-01 21:30, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 08:51, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:13:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
snip


[...]


[...]


(BTW, in front of my office building. I have to dodge those
things). We also have private buses up to the mountains for
skiing and airport shuttle buses, etc.


Those are what could be construed as cherry-picking. What I
meant was a full blown system that includes not so lucrative
routes all the way to Outer Podunk. A sysme that enables most
residents not to even have a car.

Not going to happen in a market economy. The fares would be too
high for either local users who have to subsidize rural users or
for rural users who have to pay actual cost plus ROI. There might
be a way to do this by selling losses to investors -- running the
system as a tax shelter, but I'll let the tax accountants figure
that one out. The bottom line is that barriers to entry are not
that high and certainly lower than in Germany, and if mass
transit could be done profitably in a large US urban area by
private business, it would be. People are always looking for a
way to make a buck. It might work elsewhere in a dense European
city, but it has been tried and failed here in PDX.


The German example I brought was from an area much less densely
populated than Portland. AFAIK they even operate ferries in the
system.


Germany is a comparatively small country with a large population.
Distances are not so great there compared to many areas of the USA.


As I wrote, I picked an example (on purpose) from an area that is less
densely populated than where I live now.


Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many
Germans emigrated?


Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One
cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better
there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not.
Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle
infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has.
Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there
is often a lack of willingness.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it?

Cheers

Many years ago Riverside, California attempted to "register" bicycles.
The idea was to have a record of who owned what bicycle which they
hoped might reduce bicycle theft.

If I remember correctly it cost the owner 50 cents and he got a nice
little "number plate" to attach to his bicycle.

You never heard as much moaning and groaning, "You mean I gotta pay 50
cents to ride a bicycle." The city gave up on the scheme. Apparently
cyclists are cheap.


I doubt that, and they should not make it mandatory anyhow. If they made
it mandatory then Californians can already smell it that pretty soon the
authorities would start to tax bicycles per year and they don't want
that. If there is any way to extract yet another tax from the people CA
will eventually do that.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2018-09-01 17:05, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:09:49 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Snipped
Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are
great but I don't eat them on account of their effect on the
waist line.

Could be. I'm on a diet and gave up making fritter comparisons.

Snipped

I bet your beer has a lot more calories in it in quantities you seem
to consume than do a few apple fritters.


Many years ago my ALT liver value was too high. The doc said to cut out
alcohol and certain foods. So I did. Zero alcohol for many months.
Result? Nada, zilch. Same ALT value, no weight loss.

Then I started cycling again at 3000mi/year. Despite drinking beer and
eating the usual food again my weight dropped 15lbs but then increased
12lbs. Those 12lbs are larger leg muscles because the waist line
remained down one jeans size. However, no more weight loss whatsoever
despite being at 4000mi/year including some tough trail stuff. To my
utter surprise the ALT value popped smack dab back to the middle of the
normal range. Normally that should not react much to vigorous exercise
but it sure did.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Sun, 02 Sep 2018 08:02:04 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-09-01 21:30, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 08:51, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:13:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
snip


[...]


[...]


(BTW, in front of my office building. I have to dodge those
things). We also have private buses up to the mountains for
skiing and airport shuttle buses, etc.


Those are what could be construed as cherry-picking. What I
meant was a full blown system that includes not so lucrative
routes all the way to Outer Podunk. A sysme that enables most
residents not to even have a car.

Not going to happen in a market economy. The fares would be too
high for either local users who have to subsidize rural users or
for rural users who have to pay actual cost plus ROI. There might
be a way to do this by selling losses to investors -- running the
system as a tax shelter, but I'll let the tax accountants figure
that one out. The bottom line is that barriers to entry are not
that high and certainly lower than in Germany, and if mass
transit could be done profitably in a large US urban area by
private business, it would be. People are always looking for a
way to make a buck. It might work elsewhere in a dense European
city, but it has been tried and failed here in PDX.


The German example I brought was from an area much less densely
populated than Portland. AFAIK they even operate ferries in the
system.


Germany is a comparatively small country with a large population.
Distances are not so great there compared to many areas of the USA.


As I wrote, I picked an example (on purpose) from an area that is less
densely populated than where I live now.


Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many
Germans emigrated?


Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One
cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better
there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not.
Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle
infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has.
Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there
is often a lack of willingness.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it?

Cheers

Many years ago Riverside, California attempted to "register" bicycles.
The idea was to have a record of who owned what bicycle which they
hoped might reduce bicycle theft.

If I remember correctly it cost the owner 50 cents and he got a nice
little "number plate" to attach to his bicycle.

You never heard as much moaning and groaning, "You mean I gotta pay 50
cents to ride a bicycle." The city gave up on the scheme. Apparently
cyclists are cheap.


I doubt that, and they should not make it mandatory anyhow. If they made
it mandatory then Californians can already smell it that pretty soon the
authorities would start to tax bicycles per year and they don't want
that. If there is any way to extract yet another tax from the people CA
will eventually do that.

But if you don't pay your taxes who is going to support the homeless,
and the illegal immigrants, and the bike paths and, and, and.

If you are going to have socialism someone's got to pay for it.

On 2018-09-02 16:36, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2018 08:02:04 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-09-01 21:30, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 08:51, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:13:51 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
snip


[...]


[...]


(BTW, in front of my office building. I have to dodge those
things). We also have private buses up to the mountains for
skiing and airport shuttle buses, etc.


Those are what could be construed as cherry-picking. What I
meant was a full blown system that includes not so lucrative
routes all the way to Outer Podunk. A sysme that enables most
residents not to even have a car.

Not going to happen in a market economy. The fares would be too
high for either local users who have to subsidize rural users or
for rural users who have to pay actual cost plus ROI. There might
be a way to do this by selling losses to investors -- running the
system as a tax shelter, but I'll let the tax accountants figure
that one out. The bottom line is that barriers to entry are not
that high and certainly lower than in Germany, and if mass
transit could be done profitably in a large US urban area by
private business, it would be. People are always looking for a
way to make a buck. It might work elsewhere in a dense European
city, but it has been tried and failed here in PDX.


The German example I brought was from an area much less densely
populated than Portland. AFAIK they even operate ferries in the
system.


Germany is a comparatively small country with a large population.
Distances are not so great there compared to many areas of the USA.


As I wrote, I picked an example (on purpose) from an area that is less
densely populated than where I live now.


Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many
Germans emigrated?


Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One
cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better
there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not.
Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle
infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has.
Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there
is often a lack of willingness.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it?

Cheers

Many years ago Riverside, California attempted to "register" bicycles.
The idea was to have a record of who owned what bicycle which they
hoped might reduce bicycle theft.

If I remember correctly it cost the owner 50 cents and he got a nice
little "number plate" to attach to his bicycle.

You never heard as much moaning and groaning, "You mean I gotta pay 50
cents to ride a bicycle." The city gave up on the scheme. Apparently
cyclists are cheap.


I doubt that, and they should not make it mandatory anyhow. If they made
it mandatory then Californians can already smell it that pretty soon the
authorities would start to tax bicycles per year and they don't want
that. If there is any way to extract yet another tax from the people CA
will eventually do that.

But if you don't pay your taxes who is going to support the homeless,
and the illegal immigrants, and the bike paths and, and, and.

If you are going to have socialism someone's got to pay for it.


We already pay among the highest taxes in the country. That's enough taxes.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Snipped

We already pay among the highest taxes in the country. That's enough taxes.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Nothing in life is free including bicycling infrastructure, bicycle shuttle buses/trains or new oversize bicycle racks.

Cheers

On 2018-09-03 13:49, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Snipped

We already pay among the highest taxes in the country. That's
enough taxes.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Nothing in life is free including bicycling infrastructure, bicycle
shuttle buses/trains ...


It's a matter of priorities. For example, our comuntiy decided it was
more important to built a half-million Dollar mural display.


... or new oversize bicycle racks.


No, correctly sized racks. They do not cost extra. When I design
electronics it is expected of me that it fits the needs of today, not
those of 20 years ago.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/