torque wrench issues

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A pH of 7 is neutral Normal rain is 5.5. It probably won't help
you
but
normal rain is acidic.

So what point were you supposedly trying to make?

Normal rain causes metal to corrode, and mostly due to galvanic
action
around spots of impurities. Potential differences arise and
electrolysis
dissociates metal ions.

Acid rain (as in sulphur pollution) simply does the same thing more
enthusiastically.

If rain was pure distilled water, there would be no galvanic
potentials
and
probably hardly any corrosion - a lot less people would bother
painting
or
plating metals.

What it means is that I'm sick and tired of some ass throwing around
leftist passwords about things that they don't know about.

"Acid rain" occurs every single day in many locations of the world
from
totally natural events such as emissions from volcanoes or
geothermal
outlets. That coal fired power plants also caused it only means that
there
is a learning curve and if you aren't willing to take any chances at
all
you are a idiot.

"leftist passwords" are orders of magnitude better than running off at
a
totally irrelevant tangent that has nothing whatever to do with what's
being
discussed.

You're quite right Ian. This is after all a bicycling TECH group and
not a
political group. So perhaps I can hold my stupid political
prognostications if you can withhold your insults to everyone else and
tell us about how etymology would have anything whatsoever to do with
the
discussions at hand.

I'm confused - which of the points you raised have anything to do with
politics?

Some of the replies were from people so stupid they're a danger to
themselves and others - you can't just not bother making them aware of
this.

If you knew what etymology was - you could find that galvanic effect
involves electrical potential differences that promote corrosion.

ISTR: it was you that started ranting about leftists.

Does your understanding of the etymology of "galvanic corrosion" tell you
that it has nothing in particular to do with zinc? Does your etymology
tell you that at increased temperatures "pure water" can become acidic
enough to promote galvanic corrosion?

Any lie will do - its so easy to miss quote me - the point I made that you
were too thick to get was; zinc isn't the *ONLY* galvanic protection metal.

My understanding is plenty sufficient to see that I considered the whole
picture, while you pick out narrow examples that help your opinion.

So you were misquoted when I suggested you've been telling everyone that you knew etymology of words and that somehow gives you an increased understanding of physics?

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
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"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT..

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank
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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel
in a poorly ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire
consequences of welding zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal
that has a higher galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium
and various other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a
country where English is the
common language as the definition of
"galvanized" in the U.S. (and
likely in other English speaking countries) is,
and I quote, "Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard
of etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you
have little or no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious
quite quickly.

Feel free to go away.

-- - Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose
senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you
know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who
can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for
that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it
again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of
speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good
universities trying to shut up and exclude people for
whom they don't have answers, so we don't need
tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting
the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for
denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he
cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being
so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't
free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would
give it to him in a second were he not protected by
distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's
stupid - good luck with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium
poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel
were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than
zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but
just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly
fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed
much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't
bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student).


Handling cad plate fasteners is different from breathing
burning cad fumes, much as breathing burning zinc fumes is
different from using cosmetics with zinc oxide, handling
metallic mercury is different from breathing organically
reactive mercury compounds, and so on.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:45:38 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:16:00 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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A pH of 7 is neutral Normal rain is 5.5. It probably won't
help
you
but
normal rain is acidic.

So what point were you supposedly trying to make?

Normal rain causes metal to corrode, and mostly due to galvanic
action
around spots of impurities. Potential differences arise and
electrolysis
dissociates metal ions.

Acid rain (as in sulphur pollution) simply does the same thing
more
enthusiastically.

If rain was pure distilled water, there would be no galvanic
potentials
and
probably hardly any corrosion - a lot less people would bother
painting
or
plating metals.

What it means is that I'm sick and tired of some ass throwing
around
leftist passwords about things that they don't know about.

"Acid rain" occurs every single day in many locations of the
world
from
totally natural events such as emissions from volcanoes or
geothermal
outlets. That coal fired power plants also caused it only means
that
there
is a learning curve and if you aren't willing to take any chances
at
all
you are a idiot.

"leftist passwords" are orders of magnitude better than running off
at
a
totally irrelevant tangent that has nothing whatever to do with
what's
being
discussed.

You're quite right Ian. This is after all a bicycling TECH group and
not a
political group. So perhaps I can hold my stupid political
prognostications if you can withhold your insults to everyone else
and
tell us about how etymology would have anything whatsoever to do
with
the
discussions at hand.

I'm confused - which of the points you raised have anything to do
with
politics?

Some of the replies were from people so stupid they're a danger to
themselves and others - you can't just not bother making them aware of
this.

If you knew what etymology was - you could find that galvanic effect
involves electrical potential differences that promote corrosion.

ISTR: it was you that started ranting about leftists.

Does your understanding of the etymology of "galvanic corrosion" tell
you
that it has nothing in particular to do with zinc? Does your etymology
tell you that at increased temperatures "pure water" can become acidic
enough to promote galvanic corrosion?

Any lie will do - its so easy to miss quote me - the point I made that
you
were too thick to get was; zinc isn't the *ONLY* galvanic protection
metal.

My understanding is plenty sufficient to see that I considered the whole
picture, while you pick out narrow examples that help your opinion.

So you were misquoted when I suggested you've been telling everyone that
you knew etymology of words and that somehow gives you an increased
understanding of physics?

I have no recollection of typing that - they appear to be your words.

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski
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On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote:


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On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of
welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a
higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where
English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or
no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make
you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However,
don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated
******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on
RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no
other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting
a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good
luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my
comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its
less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you
wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect
than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a
project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating
which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of
cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far
more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only
show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger?
What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at
risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good
luck with that.......................

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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1,
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote:


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On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field"
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"John B Slocomb" wrote in
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
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a great deal deleted


know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel
in a poorly ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire
consequences of welding zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal
that has a higher galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium
and various other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a
country where English is the
common language as the definition of
"galvanized" in the U.S. (and
likely in other English speaking countries) is,
and I quote, "Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard
of etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you
have little or no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious
quite quickly.

Feel free to go away.

-- - Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose
senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you
know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who
can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for
that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it
again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of
speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good
universities trying to shut up and exclude people for
whom they don't have answers, so we don't need
tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting
the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for
denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he
cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being
so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't
free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would
give it to him in a second were he not protected by
distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's
stupid - good luck with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium
poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel
were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than
zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but
just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly
fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed
much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't
bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student).


Handling cad plate fasteners is different from breathing burning cad
fumes, much as breathing burning zinc fumes is different from using
cosmetics with zinc oxide, handling metallic mercury is different from
breathing organically reactive mercury compounds, and so on.

Those are the specific points that certain people are only focusing on the
ones that support their opinion.

On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski
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On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote:


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"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of
welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a
higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where
English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or
no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make
you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However,
don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated
******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on
RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no
other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting
a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good
luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my
comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its
less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you
wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect
than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a
project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating
which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of
cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far
more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only
show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger?
What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at
risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good
luck with that.......................

We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and not as you get infected with HIV.

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski
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On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote:


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"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of
welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a
higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and
various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where
English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the
U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I
quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of
etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little
or
no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite
quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders
make
you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However,
don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been
burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see
you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in
erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom
they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated
******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on
RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying
his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no
other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's
starting
a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good
luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my
comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its
less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you
wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic
effect
than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a
project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating
which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of
cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far
more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually
only
show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of
danger?
What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at
risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly -
good
luck with that.......................

We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and
not as you get infected with HIV.

ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the
only one's not spreading it around.

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On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote:

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know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a
poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of
welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a
higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and
various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where
English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in
the
U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I
quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of
etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have
little
or
no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite
quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders
make
you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything.
However,
don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been
burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see
you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in
erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for
whom
they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated
******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech
on
RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying
his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for
no
other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's
starting
a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he
not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid -
good
luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my
comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think
its
less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just
you
wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed
small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic
effect
than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a
project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium
plating
which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean
weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of
cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are
far
more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these
usually
only
show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of
danger?
What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are
at
risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly -
good
luck with that.......................

We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous
and
not as you get infected with HIV.

ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the
only one's not spreading it around.

As one of the people that worked on the discovery and identification of
HIV I could tell you anything you need to know.

It was a homosexual disease since it is almost impossible to catch with
any other way than anal intercourse. They didn't know where it was coming
from and AID's symptoms are all over the board so no one was sure if they
were talking about one or a dozen different diseases.

Now I can sit back and watch you show everyone how stupid you are.

There is no doubt that the disease can be passed between heterosexual
partners.

Its possible to catch it from infected blood left laying around - if you're
that unlucky.

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On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1,
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote:


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On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote:



"John B Slocomb" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote:

a great deal deleted


know of cadmium plating being very dangerous.
You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a
poorly
ventilated
space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid.

I have never become aware of the dire consequences of
welding
zinc
plated
that are being spouted here.

"galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a
higher
galvanic
affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and
various
other
toxic
heavy metals.


I can only assume that you are not from a country where
English
is the
common language as the definition of "galvanized" in
the
U.S.
(and
likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I
quote,
"Covered
with Zinc".

I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of
etymology.
You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have
little
or
no
technical knowlege from what you keep saying.

You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite
quickly.

Feel free to go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders
make
you
uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything.
However,
don't
feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been
burned
once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a
spokesman
for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see
you
attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in
erstwhile
good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for
whom
they
don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated
******s
like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech
on
RBT.

Andre Jute
I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying
his
right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be.

I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for
no
other
reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's
starting
a
fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he
not
protected by distance.

I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid.

I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid -
good
luck
with that...................

Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my
comments
about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think
its
less
dangerous than zinc - good luck with that...............

There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just
you
wait
till the osteoporosis sets in.

Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed
small
amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic
effect
than
expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a
project
for the student).

The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium
plating
which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean
weld.

By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of
cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are
far
more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these
usually
only
show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later.

So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of
danger?
What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are
at
risk by simply handling cadmium plated components?

Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly -
good
luck with that.......................

We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous
and
not as you get infected with HIV.

ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the
only one's not spreading it around.

As one of the people that worked on the discovery and identification of
HIV I could tell you anything you need to know.

It was a homosexual disease since it is almost impossible to catch with
any other way than anal intercourse. They didn't know where it was coming
from and AID's symptoms are all over the board so no one was sure if they
were talking about one or a dozen different diseases.

Now I can sit back and watch you show everyone how stupid you are.

There is no doubt that the disease can be passed between heterosexual
partners.

Its possible to catch it from infected blood left laying around - if you're
that unlucky.

Ian, please don't look stupid. The disease is almost entirely spread by homosexual sex. The manner in which it is spread is plainly shown in the statistics.

I didn't work in the background on this project. I automated the PCR mechanism itself. I programmed it. Dr. Mullis received a Nobel Prize in Chemistry because I could demonstrate his work.

What is "blood left laying around"? Do you commonly leave blood laying about? The HIV virus rapidly decays with the lost of fluid density. And in any case it would require direct blood to blood contact.

The chances of a heterosexual transference is so long that it probably is only from anal intercourse anyway. People will not speak openly about their sexual practices or at least at that time they wouldn't. Perhaps you have no problems with it.

You speak as a possible victim of this. You cannot use some stupid excuse other than your own sexual contacts and in that case they were not heterosexual since I don't remember a single case of woman to man transference.