Cycling crime & punishment

Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Op zondag 15 november 2020 om 18:28:50 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is a ridiculous punishment without a justification of the UCI. It is just because the resulting injuries were so severe because of the improper boarding which the UCI should have checked. Since that sprint I saw several sprints just like that with the only difference that there was no crash. Sagan towards Van Aert comes to mind.

Lou

On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516


Some of you may recall the crashÂ* video linked here earlier. Â*Anyone
else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional
act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time.

I agree.

If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516


Some of you may recall the crashÂ* video linked here earlier. Â*Anyone
else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional
act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time.

I agree.

If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment.

Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by
Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in
substance, but here is the key:

"The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from
his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations."

If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get
things changed before violating them -- or play baseball.

On 11/15/2020 12:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour
of Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516


Some of you may recall the crash video linked here
earlier. Â Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather
than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short
cycling career is a long time.

I agree.

If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and
no punishment.

+1

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 11:28:32 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.

Certainly if it was a deliberate act that caused the crash then he
should be banned for life, at the minimum, but if an accident then
there should be no action taken.

My own thoughts is that it is yet another "political correct" action.
the hero crashed and somebody gotta pay.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:52:49 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 15 november 2020 om 18:28:50 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It is a ridiculous punishment without a justification of the UCI. It is just because the resulting injuries were so severe because of the improper boarding which the UCI should have checked. Since that sprint I saw several sprints just like that with the only difference that there was no crash. Sagan towards Van Aert comes to mind.

Sagan had the expertise to be able to move Van Aert over without endangering either. I don't believe that it was Van Aert that lodged the complaint. And the sprint was started before Sagan could possibly see that box sticking out from the barriers.

Op maandag 16 november 2020 om 18:41:46 UTC+1 schreef :
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:52:49 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 15 november 2020 om 18:28:50 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It is a ridiculous punishment without a justification of the UCI. It is just because the resulting injuries were so severe because of the improper boarding which the UCI should have checked. Since that sprint I saw several sprints just like that with the only difference that there was no crash. Sagan towards Van Aert comes to mind.
Sagan had the expertise to be able to move Van Aert over without endangering either. I don't believe that it was Van Aert that lodged the complaint. And the sprint was started before Sagan could possibly see that box sticking out from the barriers.

Whatever, he was disqualified for that stage and lost his green jersey and van Aert backed off to prevent a possible crash and gave him the middle finger whenhe passed the finish line so he was ****ed. I also remember a Sagan incident a couple of years ago were Cavendish crashed badly which looked almost identical what happened with Groenewegen and Jakobsen. He was thrown out of the Tour de France but not suspended for 9 months. I don't blame Sagan but the UCI, a bunch of incompetent old farts.

Lou

On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 16 november 2020 om 18:41:46 UTC+1 schreef :
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:52:49 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 15 november 2020 om 18:28:50 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It is a ridiculous punishment without a justification of the UCI. It is just because the resulting injuries were so severe because of the improper boarding which the UCI should have checked. Since that sprint I saw several sprints just like that with the only difference that there was no crash.. Sagan towards Van Aert comes to mind.
Sagan had the expertise to be able to move Van Aert over without endangering either. I don't believe that it was Van Aert that lodged the complaint. And the sprint was started before Sagan could possibly see that box sticking out from the barriers.
Whatever, he was disqualified for that stage and lost his green jersey and van Aert backed off to prevent a possible crash and gave him the middle finger whenhe passed the finish line so he was ****ed. I also remember a Sagan incident a couple of years ago were Cavendish crashed badly which looked almost identical what happened with Groenewegen and Jakobsen. He was thrown out of the Tour de France but not suspended for 9 months. I don't blame Sagan but the UCI, a bunch of incompetent old farts.
Is it your position that if someone else starts a sprint in a position that people cannot see road hazards that shouldn't be in a sprint zone that you you disqualify anyone that avoids those without causing a crash?

Op maandag 16 november 2020 om 20:06:25 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 16 november 2020 om 18:41:46 UTC+1 schreef :
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:52:49 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 15 november 2020 om 18:28:50 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of
Poland:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516

Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier.
Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a
punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling
career is a long time.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It is a ridiculous punishment without a justification of the UCI. It is just because the resulting injuries were so severe because of the improper boarding which the UCI should have checked. Since that sprint I saw several sprints just like that with the only difference that there was no crash. Sagan towards Van Aert comes to mind.
Sagan had the expertise to be able to move Van Aert over without endangering either. I don't believe that it was Van Aert that lodged the complaint. And the sprint was started before Sagan could possibly see that box sticking out from the barriers.
Whatever, he was disqualified for that stage and lost his green jersey and van Aert backed off to prevent a possible crash and gave him the middle finger whenhe passed the finish line so he was ****ed. I also remember a Sagan incident a couple of years ago were Cavendish crashed badly which looked almost identical what happened with Groenewegen and Jakobsen. He was thrown out of the Tour de France but not suspended for 9 months. I don't blame Sagan but the UCI, a bunch of incompetent old farts.
Is it your position that if someone else starts a sprint in a position that people cannot see road hazards that shouldn't be in a sprint zone that you you disqualify anyone that avoids those without causing a crash?

No that is not my position. I oppose to the inconsistency of the UCI and in the light of what happened in the past the 9 month suspension of Groenewegen is a ridiculous sentence.

Lou