So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:36:19 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/1/2020 8:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?

The lad is 53 years old and hasn't paid full price for a bike in decades. He's in the industry and gets pro deals and has never paid anywhere near $10K for a bike. He's also fast and kicked my ass today on our lunch time ride.

The fascinating thing about his old Pinarello is that it uses 6806 bearings (standard BB30 bearings) for the headset, and you press them in. His install was off or the HS was out of adjustment, so he stopped on a climb to fix it, and I just rode by -- the only way I beat him to the top. I'm hoping other parts need on-road adjusting.

Another fascinating thing is that Campy 12 cassettes all come 11/29, 11/32 and 11/34! Gads, what happened to the corn-cob days of yore when 13/21 was your freewheel for climbing, and you had a 42t inner chain ring and not 34t. We have become weak!

-- Jay Beattie.



When Campagnolo said 'Twelve' I rolled my eyes. But the
current line is packed full of wonderful innovative
features, 34t with a short changer being one of them.

"Spread your legs" a bit more and you can have 14 or even 15 :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:59:24 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:02:15 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:


They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy for
the suckers who invested.

Yup. Perhaps, like the international mining companies in Australia. Lets
see, that will eliminate 240,000 jobs, then, of course, is
manufacturing, lots of big companies there with about 900,000, and of
course wholesale trade, lots of big companies there with 380,000 more or
less, then we have Accommodation and Food Services, you know those big
chain hotels and McDonalds, with something like 850,000.

And there goes something like 2,500,000 jobs but what the hell! We got
rid of some of those terrible big companies.

You are a fool!

No, you're the fool for arse plucking figures that you don't understand.
Big companies, as measured in the dollars flowing are actually the worst
employers in australia/dollar, plus mst of those dollars flows overseas.

BTW, you understanding of the real work is also locked in step with
thinking around WWII. Underempyment in this country has hist 58% because
most workers have mulile jobs to make a living or just survive. Very
heaviy hit has been hospitality(going out), entertainment and tourism due
to shut down restrictions.

So GovCo came up with this JobKeeper package where companies with
affected income received a subsidy of double (currently boosted0
unemployment payment, IF the worker had beenthere for 12 months. Instead
of the expected $130 million cost, it is onlt going to costs govCo
$60million dollars as mosr companies just cycle through casual workers.

The benefirt of transnational companies in Australia as they take mst of
their income overseas and contribute almost nothing for what they take
out of the country and head the lst on non-tax corporate tax payers.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:02:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/31/2020 11:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:45:52 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:32:38 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

Or you could not use their services. No one is forced to trade with
any particular 'greedy corporate parasite'.

I don't, but when their goal is to drive other businesses out of
existence, you are forced to deal with them.

Uber? Wants to out do their competitors? Amazing!

Wow, you ignoreance of the actions of modern global corporate activites
seems to know no bounds.

But perhaps you would be more appreciative if they were "a major loss
maker"?

They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy
for the suckers who invested.


Do you mean Solyndra and their rape of taxpayers perhaps?

No. didn't know who thy were, but this bit at the end of the wikipedia
article on Solndra, points the finger at what I'me getting at.
................................
Tom Pyle, an energy industry expert who led the Trump presidential
transition team on energy, said the loan guarantee program's ongoing
existence despite the lessons learned from the Solyndra debacle shows
that government has no business backing private energy companies, whether
they're solar or not.

.......................................
We've had that for a long long time and it is still continuing. current
fad of socialism for companies is "limited tender" contracts. guess who
is paying for that.

Uber is a classic example where GovCo has almost desttoryed the
livelihood and investments of many people. Taxi drivers had personal and
drving history checks and their number was heavily restricted by GoCo,
yet they let Uber just come in with no checks and balances. Catching
their "service" can be unsafe, you can be price gouged and their drivers
are regularly underpayed.

The

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:08:20 -0700, cyclintom wrote:


Of all people to use the term "parasite" you have to be the funniest.
You are a tick on the body public. You do not nor have you ever pulled
your own weight. And then to called people who actually provide not just
a needed service but one that even supplies what the environmentalists
have asked for - less personal auto use - makes you just about the
lowest layer on the parasite ladder.

The richest(? second) richest man in australia said; onl a fools pay more
tax in australia that he has to. Hmm, the advice of poor Tommy, or Kezza?
I think i'll stick with Kezza's advice.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:02:48 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:59:24 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:02:15 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:


They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy for
the suckers who invested.

Yup. Perhaps, like the international mining companies in Australia. Lets
see, that will eliminate 240,000 jobs, then, of course, is
manufacturing, lots of big companies there with about 900,000, and of
course wholesale trade, lots of big companies there with 380,000 more or
less, then we have Accommodation and Food Services, you know those big
chain hotels and McDonalds, with something like 850,000.

And there goes something like 2,500,000 jobs but what the hell! We got
rid of some of those terrible big companies.

You are a fool!

No, you're the fool for arse plucking figures that you don't understand.
Big companies, as measured in the dollars flowing are actually the worst
employers in australia/dollar, plus mst of those dollars flows overseas.

BTW, you understanding of the real work is also locked in step with
thinking around WWII. Underempyment in this country has hist 58% because
most workers have mulile jobs to make a living or just survive. Very
heaviy hit has been hospitality(going out), entertainment and tourism due
to shut down restrictions.

So GovCo came up with this JobKeeper package where companies with
affected income received a subsidy of double (currently boosted0
unemployment payment, IF the worker had beenthere for 12 months. Instead
of the expected $130 million cost, it is onlt going to costs govCo
$60million dollars as mosr companies just cycle through casual workers.

The benefirt of transnational companies in Australia as they take mst of
their income overseas and contribute almost nothing for what they take
out of the country and head the lst on non-tax corporate tax payers.

Well, you all must have invited these terrible large companies to come
to Australia and set up businesses.... and now you whine about them.
It doesn't sound like you folks are too awful smart, does it.

But there is hope. Just nationalize those horrible foreigners, grab
those companies and run them the Australian way.

Gosh, if you really went at it right you might get Holdan back.

--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:17:49 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:02:53 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/31/2020 11:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:45:52 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:32:38 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

Or you could not use their services. No one is forced to trade with
any particular 'greedy corporate parasite'.

I don't, but when their goal is to drive other businesses out of
existence, you are forced to deal with them.

Uber? Wants to out do their competitors? Amazing!

Wow, you ignoreance of the actions of modern global corporate activites
seems to know no bounds.

But perhaps you would be more appreciative if they were "a major loss
maker"?

They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy
for the suckers who invested.


Do you mean Solyndra and their rape of taxpayers perhaps?

No. didn't know who thy were, but this bit at the end of the wikipedia
article on Solndra, points the finger at what I'me getting at.
...............................
Tom Pyle, an energy industry expert who led the Trump presidential
transition team on energy, said the loan guarantee program's ongoing
existence despite the lessons learned from the Solyndra debacle shows
that government has no business backing private energy companies, whether
they're solar or not.

......................................
We've had that for a long long time and it is still continuing. current
fad of socialism for companies is "limited tender" contracts. guess who
is paying for that.

Uber is a classic example where GovCo has almost desttoryed the
livelihood and investments of many people. Taxi drivers had personal and
drving history checks and their number was heavily restricted by GoCo,
yet they let Uber just come in with no checks and balances. Catching
their "service" can be unsafe, you can be price gouged and their drivers
are regularly underpayed.

The


Good Lord, man! You have a democratic government down there. Just
elect the "right people" and everybody can be happy.

Or is it that the voters have elected the "right people" at least
right for the majority of the voters and left a few of you to moan and
grown and whine?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 12:12:49 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:02:48 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:59:24 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:02:15 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:


They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy
for the suckers who invested.

Yup. Perhaps, like the international mining companies in Australia.
Lets see, that will eliminate 240,000 jobs, then, of course, is
manufacturing, lots of big companies there with about 900,000, and of
course wholesale trade, lots of big companies there with 380,000 more
or less, then we have Accommodation and Food Services, you know those
big chain hotels and McDonalds, with something like 850,000.

And there goes something like 2,500,000 jobs but what the hell! We got
rid of some of those terrible big companies.

You are a fool!

No, you're the fool for arse plucking figures that you don't understand.
Big companies, as measured in the dollars flowing are actually the worst
employers in australia/dollar, plus mst of those dollars flows overseas.

BTW, you understanding of the real work is also locked in step with
thinking around WWII. Underempyment in this country has hist 58% because
most workers have mulile jobs to make a living or just survive. Very
heaviy hit has been hospitahttps://www.spamcop.net/sc?
id=z6636848034z98ea1fb4847229530bc004ed8c387e27zli ty(going out),
entertainment and tourism
due to shut down restrictions.

So GovCo came up with this JobKeeper package where companies with
affected income received a subsidy of double (currently boosted0
unemployment payment, IF the worker had beenthere for 12 months. Instead
of the expected $130 million cost, it is onlt going to costs govCo
$60million dollars as mosr companies just cycle through casual workers.

The benefirt of transnational companies in Australia as they take mst of
their income overseas and contribute almost nothing for what they take
out of the country and head the lst on non-tax corporate tax payers.

Well, you all must have invited these terrible large companies to come
to Australia and set up businesses.... and now you whine about them. It
doesn't sound like you folks are too awful smart, does it.

It seems everyone has treouble with policiticans.

But there is hope. Just nationalize those horrible foreigners, grab
those companies and run them the Australian way.

Gosh, if you really went at it right you might get Holdan back.

Wow, you really are stuck in the old manufacturing age. Global mass
production has basically destroyed local manufacture. Even Thailand
manufacturing is product based. Your GovCo gives a Tranational company
land to build a factory, to make a product and when the life of that
product is over, derelict factory and unemployed populace. Perhaps you
and Trumpy could go to evening class to bring your knowledge upto date.

As a bicycle rider, I couldn't care less abot motor car manufacturers. If
our GovCo woke up and smelled the roses, Australia could roll out
electric car manufacure over night. Interestingly, the long distance
travel boggie is a furphy because there are now plenty of PV solar farms
around the countryside for rechareging points.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 12:17:09 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:17:49 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

Good Lord, man! You have a democratic government down there. Just elect
the "right people" and everybody can be happy.

Works well where you are!.

Or is it that the voters have elected the "right people" at least right
for the majority of the voters and left a few of you to moan and grown
and whine?

Oh no, I never drunk the kool aid they served up. that is why I was able
to retire decades earlier than the official retiremet age.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 06:30:08 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 12:17:09 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:17:49 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

Good Lord, man! You have a democratic government down there. Just elect
the "right people" and everybody can be happy.

Works well where you are!.

In fact it is working very well, all things considered. Thailand has,
as of June 02, 2020, 04:59 GMT a virus death rate of 0.8/1 million.
Australia has 5 times that number.Thailand has 44 virus cases per 1
million and Australia has 283/1 million.

Perhaps, one might say, the difference between leadership and anarchy?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 06:24:33 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 12:12:49 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 04:02:48 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 13:59:24 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:02:15 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:


They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy
for the suckers who invested.

Yup. Perhaps, like the international mining companies in Australia.
Lets see, that will eliminate 240,000 jobs, then, of course, is
manufacturing, lots of big companies there with about 900,000, and of
course wholesale trade, lots of big companies there with 380,000 more
or less, then we have Accommodation and Food Services, you know those
big chain hotels and McDonalds, with something like 850,000.

And there goes something like 2,500,000 jobs but what the hell! We got
rid of some of those terrible big companies.

You are a fool!

No, you're the fool for arse plucking figures that you don't understand.
Big companies, as measured in the dollars flowing are actually the worst
employers in australia/dollar, plus mst of those dollars flows overseas.

BTW, you understanding of the real work is also locked in step with
thinking around WWII. Underempyment in this country has hist 58% because
most workers have mulile jobs to make a living or just survive. Very
heaviy hit has been hospitahttps://www.spamcop.net/sc?
id=z6636848034z98ea1fb4847229530bc004ed8c387e27zl ity(going out),
entertainment and tourism
due to shut down restrictions.

So GovCo came up with this JobKeeper package where companies with
affected income received a subsidy of double (currently boosted0
unemployment payment, IF the worker had beenthere for 12 months. Instead
of the expected $130 million cost, it is onlt going to costs govCo
$60million dollars as mosr companies just cycle through casual workers.

The benefirt of transnational companies in Australia as they take mst of
their income overseas and contribute almost nothing for what they take
out of the country and head the lst on non-tax corporate tax payers.

Well, you all must have invited these terrible large companies to come
to Australia and set up businesses.... and now you whine about them. It
doesn't sound like you folks are too awful smart, does it.

It seems everyone has treouble with policiticans.

But there is hope. Just nationalize those horrible foreigners, grab
those companies and run them the Australian way.

Gosh, if you really went at it right you might get Holdan back.

Wow, you really are stuck in the old manufacturing age. Global mass
production has basically destroyed local manufacture. Even Thailand
manufacturing is product based. Your GovCo gives a Tranational company
land to build a factory, to make a product and when the life of that
product is over, derelict factory and unemployed populace. Perhaps you
and Trumpy could go to evening class to bring your knowledge upto date.

Really? Gee. Unemployed Populace?
The problem here is actually that we don't have sufficient citizens to
man all the factories. Thailand, prior to the virus, had an
unemployment rate of 1%, or less, and there were approximately 2
million "guest workers" legally working in country and an estimated 2
million illegal workers. So roughly Thailand as perhaps 4 million more
jobs than they have citizens to fill them.

As for the Industrial estates (they call them), well they have been
going strong for the 50, or so years I have been here, and if anything
they are growing larger.

As for companies closing and unemployed people, well, Seagate
Thailand opened their first factory in Thailand in 1988, in
Samutprakarn, and they opened a second factory in Korat in 1996. Both
still there and still in business after 32 years in one case and 24
years in the other.
Lets see, Toyota came to Thailand in 1962, Isuzu came to Thailand in
1957, both still here and doing well. 58 and 63 years in country and
still going strong.

In short, your theories don't hold water. Perhaps it is you that
needs to go to school to get his knowledge up to date.
--
cheers,

John B.