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On 1/28/2018 10:34 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 28-01-18 06:35, Frank Krygowski wrote: And I agree with the concept. As I've mentioned before, we were staying with (new) friends in Zurich, and they took us on a walking tour of the city. At that time, they had just passed a "strict liability" law like you describe. Our friends told us it absolutely transformed the experience of walking (and IIRC bicycling) around the city. Isn't one of our newer posters from there? Any comment? That could be me... I've been reading the local newspaper (Tages Anzeiger) everyday for decades, and I don't remember ever seeing something like this. Maybe it was a long time ago? We were there in 2007. We were told the law was very new then. In any event, I generally feel safe riding in Zurich. The city hasĀ* helped, for example by sometimes reserving the sidewalk on one side of a street just for bicycles, by allowing bicycles on small roads where otherwise non-resident traffic is forbidden, and by establishing sensible bike lanes (wide enough to avoid the door zone). We were there for two rainy days and did not ride a lot. I do remember wayfinding signs (for example, leading me to the train station via quiet streets and some connector paths). I don't think I ever rode a sidewalk path. Not all connector paths were wonderfully maintained, but they did provide a pretty peaceful route. Besides this, over the years I've worked out my own ways to get through the city, mostly avoiding heavy traffic. I do the same here. And I acknowledge that that's probably easier in older cities than in new ones. Big newer development, like in the southern U.S. (Charlotte NC, Jacksonville FL) tends to be designed around "stroads" sprouting cul-de-sac "mushroom" housing areas, and huge shopping areas designed only for car access. Older areas retain more parallel street choices, and even some cut-throughs that are inaccessible to cars. I also signal for turns, stop for red lights, and generally try to behave in a predictable way. Me too. Another factor is that there are enough people on bicycles here that drivers are used to seeing them. Years ago I went for a ride while visiting Cincinnati, and had the impression that a lot of drivers had never encountered a bicycle before. That seemed scary. I'm certain that having more cyclists helps. Unfortunately, in the U.S. there is a strong cabal of "bicycle advocates" who seem to think that any facility that increases cycling count is fine. That's despite dangers in some designs. And of course, the novices lured by those designs are the ones least likely to recognize the dangers. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:47:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/28/2018 10:34 AM, Ned Mantei wrote: On 28-01-18 06:35, Frank Krygowski wrote: And I agree with the concept. As I've mentioned before, we were staying with (new) friends in Zurich, and they took us on a walking tour of the city. At that time, they had just passed a "strict liability" law like you describe. Our friends told us it absolutely transformed the experience of walking (and IIRC bicycling) around the city. Isn't one of our newer posters from there? Any comment? That could be me... I've been reading the local newspaper (Tages Anzeiger) everyday for decades, and I don't remember ever seeing something like this. Maybe it was a long time ago? We were there in 2007. We were told the law was very new then. In any event, I generally feel safe riding in Zurich. The city has* helped, for example by sometimes reserving the sidewalk on one side of a street just for bicycles, by allowing bicycles on small roads where otherwise non-resident traffic is forbidden, and by establishing sensible bike lanes (wide enough to avoid the door zone). We were there for two rainy days and did not ride a lot. I do remember wayfinding signs (for example, leading me to the train station via quiet streets and some connector paths). I don't think I ever rode a sidewalk path. Not all connector paths were wonderfully maintained, but they did provide a pretty peaceful route. Besides this, over the years I've worked out my own ways to get through the city, mostly avoiding heavy traffic. I do the same here. And I acknowledge that that's probably easier in older cities than in new ones. Big newer development, like in the southern U.S. (Charlotte NC, Jacksonville FL) tends to be designed around "stroads" sprouting cul-de-sac "mushroom" housing areas, and huge shopping areas designed only for car access. Older areas retain more parallel street choices, and even some cut-throughs that are inaccessible to cars. I also signal for turns, stop for red lights, and generally try to behave in a predictable way. Me too. Another factor is that there are enough people on bicycles here that drivers are used to seeing them. Years ago I went for a ride while visiting Cincinnati, and had the impression that a lot of drivers had never encountered a bicycle before. That seemed scary. I'm certain that having more cyclists helps. Unfortunately, in the U.S. there is a strong cabal of "bicycle advocates" who seem to think that any facility that increases cycling count is fine. That's despite dangers in some designs. And of course, the novices lured by those designs are the ones least likely to recognize the dangers. There is a subject here that seems to be totally ignored - the cyclist. In a number of formal studies, the CHP study in L.A. country comes strongly to mind, over half of the accidents, where blame could be assigned, were the fault of the cyclist. In both New York and San Francisco autopsies performed on cyclists killed in highway accidents shows a blood alcohol content in excess of the legal maximum on nearly half the bodies. Will all the publicly constructed MUPS in the world protect a drunken law breaker? And if not, how can numbers of crashes be reduced? https://www.planetizen.com/node/8182...-hate-cyclists https://www.psychologicalscience.org...ith-bikes.html https://tinyurl.com/y9ccdmzy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5248656/ http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/data/factsheet_crash.cfm https://helmets.org/alcohol.htm https://tinyurl.com/y9v4xf8k -- Cheers, John B. |
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AMuzi wrote:
What about a bright blue/yellow Svensk flag colored bicycle? Oughta be safe right? There is a famous MTB from the 90s in those exact colors! It was in a bike mag recently but I can't find it and I don't remember the brand and probably there were many such or similar bikes. Anyway the guy who bought it said he thought it looked so good he didn't plan to ride it but instead hang it from the wall as a piece of art for everyone to admire. While I don't think those exact colors look that good it is indeed much better than a bike entirely in black or in just one frame/fork color, and everything else in black or gray. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 8:04:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/26/2018 9:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: Having everything black, e.g. equipment (very common for computer stuff for example) is also detrimental as 1) you get depressed just by looking at it, and 2) it is (more) difficult to find the thing you'd like if everything is the same color. I'll admit, there's some frustration in having a black suitcase containing a black toiletry kit, a black camera case, a black case for an eReader, etc. But somehow I'm always able to find my bicycles. And the black bike makes me smile as often as the others. My red racing bike is super-fast. The black commuter bike not so much, but it does have bright orange lettering that adds a little speed. This color scheme (with different parts): https://4d0850cecf2c5ce919d5-17b283a....jpg?bg=6D6F76 It was a free warranty replacement, so beggars can't be choosers. It's also caked in dirt from the daily rain commute, so the letters are not so garish. It also has white on the back of the seat stays which adds a tiny bit of visibility at night. -- Jay Beattie. |
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jbeattie wrote:
My red racing bike is super-fast. Well, speed isn't everything. Add some brown, cyan, pink, and green to make it stiff, aero, light, and comfortable as well. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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Another bike that makes you want to play in
that background green field like a kid or deranged senior, anything rather than to take it for a ride. The Canyon Aeroad SLX Disc 8.0: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/bike/canyon-aeroad.jpg When Bruce Wayne made his Batmobile look that way, he intended it to sneak up on people in the dark and suddenly strike fear into their hearts and minds before he went on with the charge. Perhaps that is what Canyon think you should do with it as well? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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