Before & after bike ghettos

On 10/19/2010 7:16 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/18/2010 7:37 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"Frank wrote in message
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On Oct 18, 4:19 pm, "Duane wrote:

Why does the shoulder need to be "reserved" for bicycles? (In the US
at least), it is already illegal for motorists to use the shoulder as
a travel lane (and those who use it as a passing lane would not be
dissuaded by bike lane markings, based on my experience of living in
the Chicago and Milwaukee areas).

As long as it's a shoulder this is true. But if you remove the shoulder
and just widen the lane, then the car has a right to it. And, at least
around here, the cars will move to the right.
Putting the bike lane marking does two things. It reserves the
right of the road for the bikes and it lets the drivers know
that there are bikes that they need to pay attention to.

Painting sharrows would have the same positive effects, without creating
a bicycle ghetto.

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/19/2010 7:16 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/18/2010 7:37 PM, Duane Hebert wrote:
"Frank wrote in message
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On Oct 18, 4:19 pm, "Duane wrote:

Why does the shoulder need to be "reserved" for bicycles? (In the US
at least), it is already illegal for motorists to use the shoulder as
a travel lane (and those who use it as a passing lane would not be
dissuaded by bike lane markings, based on my experience of living in
the Chicago and Milwaukee areas).

As long as it's a shoulder this is true. But if you remove the shoulder
and just widen the lane, then the car has a right to it. And, at least
around here, the cars will move to the right.
Putting the bike lane marking does two things. It reserves the
right of the road for the bikes and it lets the drivers know
that there are bikes that they need to pay attention to.

Painting sharrows would have the same positive effects, without creating a
bicycle ghetto.

http://cyclfac_toolbox-3wc.thecyclis...rows/Index.htm

We have sharrows here and it's not a bad thing IMO for those of us
who commute in traffic. I think it helps increase cycling.

But there are different types of cyclists. The family going out with their
children for a day ride are probably going to prefer bike paths or
lanes. Same for less experienced cyclists. And if you can increase
these numbers, you will end up with more experienced cyclists and
more commuting cyclists.

On 10/22/2010 8:43 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:

Painting sharrows would have the same positive effects, without creating
a bicycle ghetto.

And they're cute, especially when they use the silhouette of an "ordinary"!

On 10/23/2010 9:51 AM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 10/22/2010 8:43 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:

Painting sharrows would have the same positive effects, without creating
a bicycle ghetto.

And they're cute, especially when they use the silhouette of an "ordinary"!


Maybe I will paint a 'bent sharrow in my driveway.

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.