Before & after bike ghettos

On 10/22/2010 4:29 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Oct 22, 2:34 pm, Peter wrote:
On 10/22/2010 1:41 PM, Phil W Lee wrote:



considered Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:30:58
-0400 the perfect time to write:

Per Duane Hebert:

What's wrong with those people? Why aren't they
hugging the center of the road? Then the cyclists could ride
on the side. It's not like they need some white paint
or something, is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_ce0D9eMQ

Well this guy figured a way around it. But here
it's illegal to ride in the center of two lanes.

I know this an abomination and a crime against Nature, but in my
area, I would have felt more comfortable riding that wide, unused
sidewalk on the left.

Also that's illegal here, unless marked otherwise.

That's it then. According to vehicular cycling, if the lane is too
narrow to share, he should take it. That would be very "Effective
Cycling", vehicular as hell, literally.

I believe that's yet more misrepresentation of vehicular cycling. A
cyclist takes the lane when the lane is too narrow to allow a motorist
to safely pass the cyclist. The cyclist riding with the camera does
that from time to time, of course. But that's not the same situation
as the cyclist passing a stopped motor vehicle.

For the record, I just paged through both _Effective Cycling_ by
Forester, and _Cyclecraft_ by Franklin. I was unable to find anything
specific on filtering in either book. I certainly found no statements
forbidding it.

But of course, if they simply painted a bike lane stripe on that road,
filtering between stopped cars would be unnecessary, because the bike
lane stripe would add so much width to the pavement. Right, Peter?

Hey Frank,

If Magic Foam Bicycle Hats™ can prevent 70% of leg injuries, why should
not White Magic Bicycle Paint Stripes™ be able to add lane width?

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 10/22/2010 8:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_ce0D9eMQ

But of course, if they simply painted a bike lane stripe on that road,
filtering between stopped cars would be unnecessary, because the bike
lane stripe would add so much width to the pavement. Right, Peter?

- Frank Krygowski

If the lanes could be narrowed, sure, a bike lane might fit. That would
have made the cyclist's ride a lot easier.

"On _that_ road" ... remember?

How would you ride that road Frank?

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/20/2010 7:30 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
[...]
Next time that you ride in Toronto[...]

Been there, done that!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Toronto,+Iowa &sll=41.921617,-91.634623&sspn=0.007759,0.021136&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear =Toronto,+Clinton,+Iowa&z=14


lol

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/21/2010 8:04 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
[...]
Being backed up for a mile is probably not the norm here but 10-15
minutes to get through an intersection is not unusual.[...]

That would be hell. I usually have to wait 10 to 15 *seconds* when I
catch a red light.

I have that also if I leave for work at 4am. At least it
could happen then. Though it's not guaranteed.

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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On 10/21/2010 1:21 PM, Phil W Lee wrote:
Frank considered Wed, 20 Oct 2010
18:49:48 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

The _only_ place I've ever seen traffic backed up for an honest mile
is on a freeway. And never on those freeways out in western US, where
I rode them on a bicycle. I think the same is true of half-mile
backups. I think that everyday occurrences of such long backups
cannot be common. They must be extremely rare, and they can't have
much to do with promoting bike lanes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8t3tAlBl4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_ce0D9eMQ

Why would anyone choose to live and commute by personal motor vehicle in
such an environment?

In many cases it's because there are no good alternatives.

Considering a normal traffic day, it takes me 45 minutes
to get to work by car. It takes me about the same by bike
if I average 30km/h.

If I take public transit, it takes 80 - 90 minutes.

On Oct 23, 8:28*am, Peter Cole wrote:
On 10/22/2010 8:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_ce0D9eMQ
But of course, if they simply painted a bike lane stripe on that road,
filtering between stopped cars would be unnecessary, because the bike
lane stripe would add so much width to the pavement. *Right, Peter?

- Frank Krygowski

If the lanes could be narrowed, sure, a bike lane might fit. That would
have made the cyclist's ride a lot easier.

"On _that_ road" ... remember?

How would you ride that road Frank?

Probably like the camera guy did, perhaps sometimes passing with a bit
more care. No bike lane needed.

- Frank Krygowski

On 10/22/2010 8:50 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
On 10/21/2010 8:04 AM, Duane Hebert wrote:
[...]
Being backed up for a mile is probably not the norm here but 10-15
minutes to get through an intersection is not unusual.[...]

That would be hell. I usually have to wait 10 to 15 *seconds* when I
catch a red light.


Don't leave hogtown.

On 10/22/2010 9:01 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8t3tAlBl4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_ce0D9eMQ

Why would anyone choose to live and commute by personal motor vehicle in
such an environment?

Probably because Iowa won't let them in.

On 10/22/2010 9:04 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:

Hey Frank,

If Magic Foam Bicycle Hats™ can prevent 70% of leg injuries, why should
not White Magic Bicycle Paint Stripes™ be able to add lane width?

Why don't you guys get a room?

In article ,
"Duane Hebert" wrote:

In many cases it's because there are no good alternatives.

Considering a normal traffic day, it takes me 45 minutes
to get to work by car. It takes me about the same by bike
if I average 30km/h.

If I take public transit, it takes 80 - 90 minutes.

I experience this a lot. If you include the time it takes to walk
to/from a transit stop and wait, the minimum trip time is about 30
minutes. You can get pretty damn far on a bike in that amount of time!
And if a route has a lot of stops, you can easily match or exceed that
by bike.

Where the transit system really needs to improve, at least around here,
is in offering "express" routes over long distances. We have some, but
it is mainly restricted to rush hour schedules, and the vast majority of
service is the poorly-planned-but-standard block-by-block crawl. There
really needs to be a system that stops no more than once every mile or
two, and expects every passenger to bring their own "last mile" vehicle,
be it a bike, scooter, or just their feet.

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